SNestor Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I think there are hundreds if not thousands of posts related to stair improvements. Scott Hall has done a lot of videos showing work arounds. A large number of stair improvement requests were posted in the suggestion area long before version X8 was released. How many (if any) of those suggestions have now been incorporated into the software? Not many. I don't need or expect Chief to fix every aspect of the stair tool...but, it's long past due for some major improvements. I know nothing about software programming...but, I gather fixing this tool is extremely difficult or improvements would have been made long ago... (edit) PS: I love CA software and think CA gives us a lot for the money. I'm a happy user...wanting more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwideziner Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Scott at times I am not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 4 hours ago, SNestor said: (edit) PS: I love CA software and think CA gives us a lot for the money. I'm a happy user...wanting more. exactly - nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I thought I should list the improvements made to Stairs in X8. Break Line in Plan Nosings and Riser Lines in Plan Handrails in Plan Handrail Extensions and Returns 3D View in the dbx Landing Labels There is still more that needs to be done and I expect that there will be more in X9 and future releases. Obviously, it's not accurate to say that CA has ignored this subject. Stair Labels, better control of: Handrails and Guardrails, Landings, Stringers, Materials, etc are all additional things we would like to have. Without specific requests/suggestions CA can't know exactly what to do. While CA may have an Architect or Contractor as a consultant, it's ultimately we as users who have to provide direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I agree, Joe, Chief has worked on Stairs a lot, but there is only so much they can do for each yearly release, but they are getting better with each new release. I can see a future where there is no more complaining about stairs. Maybe if Chief had more time between releases , stairs would be done. Though, I for one actually like the yearly releases, b/c I can get some new goodies faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRST8TRKR Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Ok We can relax, we have improvements to stairs. Also I am sure there will be other new features. Will get them in time as teasers. I'm thinking it will be a great upgrade,Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I think I have it figured out. At the risk of being a pooh pooh head, this is what I think. I just reviewed the video on the new stair features. It all looks super.... if you are a DIYer. This video is a great example of what I have seen for the last ten years. Really neat stuff if what you want fits in a prescribed box. I do not think I have ever relied on these "quick" tools. Maybe good for a quick presentation as I sit in front of a client. But these are not the kinds of stairs that I build 95% of the time. The question is, if we use these quick "tricks" how do we now modify/manipulate the features to create what we are going to build. As I and several others pointed out in another thread, our stairs typically but into a side wall that is roughly 6" above stair nosing and then we have a handrail on top of that. Just to be clear, for me what I just saw in the video are superficial features. I typically "get by" with the features we have now, I suppose I would like the ability for greater customization. I think I was quite clear in another post I made in regards to what would be most beneficial for me. "OUCH, who through that tomato? Ooof, that brick just broke my nose, Hey, stop shooting spit balls at me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Scott, I think you're looking for a "Pony Wall" Railing Tool to accomplish the open sides of your stairs. I believe that's doable. I will do some experimenting and let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 The pony wall with a railing on top could be used for a lot of things, that would sure solve some problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/2404/x9-stairs.html Just to give a little context to the current discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, HumbleChief said: https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/2404/x9-stairs.html Just to give a little context to the current discussion. It's a start. I like the improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthd97 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I am going to coin a new term, "APE" for how and why CA works fast with relatively simple house designing of rooms, stairs and other building 3D components. "A" is for Automatic, "P" is for Parameter and "E" for Extraction. We use Chief for its productivity and speed in producing run of the mill housing with relatively minor customization and features. I not sure if any of you have heard the saying "Going Ape" in the US ? Stairs in CA automatically extract thier parameters from where they are placed in the 3D CA Model hence the new stair types including the existing stair types in the drop down menu or child buttons. The problem has been that the room type that the stairs are placed in will affect the stair parameter data extraction and how they build. That's why we build a floor opening that is enclosed and room labeled open below so the stairs will supposedly build correctly every time. Specific room types also have their own destinct parameters and will affect how the stair builds. I have not tested this in X9 yet to see how this works with the new and existing stair types so if anyone has, please tell us when the NDA period is over what problems you found if any ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthd97 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 RE: Scott Halls last post. I have seen his fancy stair library file that he has produced in one of his videos. What a great Idea for building customized stiar cases and storing them for latter use as a template file. I still hope we have an option in the future that let's us build and set our own stair parameters and marking the dbx to stop the stairs from inheriting parameters from its surrounding room. If this does happen we can call this feature "Frozen Stair Cases" if this occurs we can share customized stair cases with each other and modify them accordingly for our own home design project by setting our own parameters not from the room we place them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaneK Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 anything worth doing is not easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Here is a video showing the one great concept regarding the potential of chiefarchitect to be able to curve the straight panel and at the same time follow stairs, Mind you it is easy, but took me very very long time to unviel it. This method simply combines the tools we are already provided by CA. Curving the straight panel by using WT tool and then apply it on curved stairs to automaticaly get curved panel railings... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 This method solves WI railing in general, if you have the straight panel symbol it makes easy to get curved panel railing on curved balconies, like the one attached. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 1 hour ago, yusuf-333 said: Here is a video showing the one great concept regarding the potential of chiefarchitect to be able to curve the straight panel and at the same time follow stairs, Mind you it is easy, but took me very very long time to unviel it. This method simply combines the tools we are already provided by CA. Curving the straight panel by using WT tool and then apply it on curved stairs to automaticaly get curved panel railings... Very clever solution Yusef. Thanks : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said: Very clever solution Yusef. Thanks : ) You are welcome Michael. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Check this out. Only played around with it briefly, but you can use this same technique to reshape almost anything... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 14 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said: Check this out. Only played around with it briefly, but you can use this same technique to reshape almost anything... Of course yes, it has a lot of benefits as some needs. generally, reshaping any thing to a desired curvature is handy by using this method. Thanks again for the ensight Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, yusuf-333 said: Of course yes, it has a lot of benefits as some needs. generally, reshaping any thing to a desired curvature is handy by using this method. Thanks again for the ensight Michael. No no no. Thank you. Check this one out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthd97 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Yusuf has some great work arounds for difficult custom stairs and I remember seeing a multi story spiral stair case he designed using CA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerMaster86 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Wall Niche's, Custom Room Definition Types, Short Ceilings and Brick Ledges https://www.facebook.com/ChiefArchitect/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthd97 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 A.S. and Yusuf that is mind bending, thanks, many will appreciate these example of what we can do in CA with work arounds if we have the time. Beleive it or not we were able to create curved roof sheet verandahs in V6 by using the method of attaching a custom molding and changing the material from wood to corrugated roof sheet to a shrunk down counter top base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said: No no no. Thank you. Check this one out... Nice Michael, this is applying the same concept and the program treats any object as straight box once you convert it to millwork, so when you convert the straight truss to millwork and again apply it as a window treatment, it follows the curvature of the wall containing the window resulting very great symbols as you have shown us. Really nice idea you have brought Michael. Thanks again for the tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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