DRAWZILLA Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 It a method, not a workaround to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 ok, just curious what would be a work-around then ??? Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 There is no workaround for it, it's the only way the program was intended to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Nothing like flogging a dead horse! I reckon that Chief should have a checkbox for "No Workarounds". When checked, Chief won't allow any actions that aren't specifically programmed for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I reckon that Chief should have a checkbox for "No Workarounds" Glenn: then very few projects could ever be completed as they almost always require workarounds to be used I venture that it is impossible to create a full model with condocs and not use workarounds Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Perry: I was hoping to see an example of what you would consider a workaround or are you taking the position that there are no workarounds in chief none needed to complete a plan and condocs ??? Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I reckon that Chief should have a checkbox for "No Workarounds" Glenn: then very few projects could ever be completed as they almost always require workarounds to be used I venture that it is impossible to create a full model with condocs and not use workarounds Lew, I hope you are not being ironic - I don't think irony should be tolerated here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 The only "Work Around" I know is my honey do list. "Work Around The House" Don't know if I like that term for CA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Glenn: I don't get your "irony" reference ??? I'm asking serious questions about the definition of "work-around" but all I get in reply is "dancing" oh well, as a systems analyst/programmer having started in 1976 and working for over a dozen major corps around the DC beltway I am quite familiar with the usage and definition of a "work-around" some will deny it but Chief requires many "work-arounds" to get the job done as it will be forever no software can be "perfect" nor can it be all things to all users users find "work-arounds" they get reported to CA then CA decides whether to implement that "work-around" as a feature or "fix" and the next cycle begins Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Glenn: I don't get your "irony" reference ??? I'm asking serious questions about the definition of "work-around" but all I get in reply is "dancing" oh well, as a systems analyst/programmer having started in 1976 and working for over a dozen major corps around the DC beltway I am quite familiar with the usage and definition of a "work-around" some will deny it but Chief requires many "work-arounds" to get the job done as it will be forever no software can be "perfect" nor can it be all things to all users users find "work-arounds" they get reported to CA then CA decides whether to implement that "work-around" as a feature or "fix" and the next cycle begins Lew That makes good sense Lew Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 If I have a job that needs to get done and I arrive on a job site and don't have the proper tool, or the job is way too complex to even figure out which tool I should have brought, I'll find a way to get the job done with the tools I have. Is that a work around? Or creativity using the tools at hand? A Chief user with a job that needs doing and a request for tools that Chief doesn't have could just say "I don't like the word work around." Or that user could get creative using the tools he does have and get the job done. Work around? ...or Creative and imaginative? You chose the terms that makes you happy as long as it doesn't keep you from getting the job done with tools you do have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 The fact that CA doesn't have this functionality, doesn't stop me from getting the job done. However, there are work arounds that provide this functionality. I would like to see this thread get back on topic. When I get a chance, I will post in suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 For me a workaround is when Chief might have a bug or non-functionality of a task and you need to find a way to make it work. It happens. I feel most people call some task workarounds when it is really just user error. Some people use the term workaround when a task just doesn't work like they want it to work, or they never learned how to use it correctly.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 For me a workaround is when Chief might have a bug or non-functionality of a task and you need to find a way to make it work. It happens. I feel most people call some task workarounds when it is really just user error. Some people use the term workaround when a task just doesn't work like they want it to work, or they never learned how to use it correctly.. Perry, Non-functionality of a task that I need is what this thread is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 But, Jon, there is a way to do it, like I said earlier. Copy your layout to create a second layout linked to the same plan, and just add or delete page as needed. Use the second layout whenever you need just those pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Wait a minute here. I think the original request is a little un-reasonable. We are now thinking that Chief should be able to "read our minds" as to number pages based on how we print them, and not on how we arrange them in the layout provided?!?! I have struggled with this post since it came up, but have waited to see if I missed something? If I arrange the pages in a specific order...any order...and then print those pages out of order...why/how would Chief know what numbers I wanted on the page?!?! I put them in the order I saw fit, but now I am going to print them in a different order and ask my software to know that without me telling it. Do any other programs provide that? I am not trying to be flippant here either, I am sincerely struggling with this concept. Help me out here. And Lew. A "workoround" is using CAD lines for staircases to get the look we are all after. other than that, you are simply using the tools provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_Park Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 The print dialog is set up so that you can print or reprint any pages that you want. The page numbering as Joey suggests is usually very important to keep the same. The common use cases that I can think of are: 1) I make a change on a particular page and only need to reprint it. I still want it numbered the same not as page 1. 2) I print several pages but one of them comes out bad because of a printer malfunction. 3) The ink cartridge ran out of ink and I need to reprint from that page to the end. I really don't want it to come out renumbered starting at page 1. There may be others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 Doug & Joey, I don't change the order of the pages in layout template. The trend is to put as much information as possible in the layout template. ( present elevations, detail pages etc.) In the early stages of the design, I may want to only print some scattered pages. Some where on my layout I want to put a macro that displays "page number of total pages printed". Example "Page 1 of 6, 2 of 6, 3 of 6, etc.". Not 1 of 6, 2 of 6, 5 of 6, 8 of 6 , etc.". And I want my layout page table to show the page number in sequential order as in the example above. Later on, I want to print the complete set of plans turning on and off pages using the "include in layout Page table" check box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitecht Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I agree with Joey. I think i would not want my sketch plans to be mixed in together with my Working Drawing / Condocs. A full set of working drawing should be kept as a full set. A set of sketch plan should be kept separate. different trades can have their respective pages that is relevant to them so that when communicating to them have the same page reference number. I use diff layouts at diff stages and i save the files as diff names so i don't mess up sketch plans and finished models. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 It seems to me that the original poster's request is 100% valid. I can't think of any good reason that the Layout Page Table should show the actual page numbers. It should probably always show the printed page numbers instead. This was just an oversight on our part from when this feature was originally put into X6. When we first created the Layout Page Table we hadn't fully developed the features for creating multiple template pages or the idea of having place holder pages. With those added capabilities, the actual page numbers really don't have anything to do with the pages that are intended to be part of the printed document. I don't think the Layout Page Table should change if you decide you want to print out a different set of pages by selecting them in the Print Range section of the Print Layout dialog. This means that if you need to make a correction and then reprint one or more pages that the table should look the same as if you printed the whole document. This change will be available when the 17.2 update is released some time in the near future. In the future, I would encourage you to report issues like this directly to our tech support team. It was pretty much random luck that I saw this post and made sure this change would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 Thanks Dermot. I didn't feel I had the support for this feature from other members of this forum. Therefore, I never posted this in the Suggestions. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Jon, of course we support any feature that works better, we were just trying to figure a way you could do it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitchenAbode Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I guess having this options would do no harm so why not. However, could this not create some confusion when discussing issues with a client and they are referencing page numbers that would differ from your master layout. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Jon, of course we support any feature that works better, we were just trying to figure a way you could do it now. My friend Perry said something that we should remember. We always want the program to get better, and I am as guilty as anybody in trying to figure out a way to do it NOW and ignoring what should be a feature request. Yes Jon, we do like your request. And thanks to Dermot for being on top of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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