dskogg Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Hey cabinet experts...i am trying to replicate how a cabinet is actually built and replicate in ca. Chief does not show any structure at top or between drawers and doors...typically a 4" spreader bar is stapled between. Also edge tape is used on face of box and spreader bars to match doors and drawers. How would i achieve both of these things and have it adjust on cabinet resize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaTime Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Hm. Can't say I've ever bothered trying but I'd figure the spreader boards could be done as a custom shelf, since they follow the width of the cabinet. Just tossed together something quick with slabs, replaced the the top separation with a Shelf, specified its thickness, 0" spaced from previous (top). Seems to work okay. I got nothing for ya on the edging though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted October 26, 2023 Author Share Posted October 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, TeaTime said: Hm. Can't say I've ever bothered trying but I'd figure the spreader boards could be done as a custom shelf, since they follow the width of the cabinet. Just tossed together something quick with slabs, replaced the the top separation with a Shelf, specified its thickness, 0" spaced from previous (top). Seems to work okay. I got nothing for ya on the edging though. how do you replace separation with a shelf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaTime Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, dskogg said: how do you replace separation with a shelf? Change it to an Opening, then click the Shelves: Specify button. I just tossed down 2 slabs, 4" wide, spaced 24" front to back and saved it as a Fixture. Then on the Shelf Specification, set Manual, number: 1, browse to library and pull that new fixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted October 26, 2023 Author Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, TeaTime said: Change it to an Opening, then click the Shelves: Specify button. I just tossed down 2 slabs, 4" wide, spaced 24" front to back and saved it as a Fixture. Then on the Shelf Specification, set Manual, number: 1, browse to library and pull that new fixture. Thanks, so does the drawer cover the spreader bar when closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaTime Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 OH sure, find the fatal flaw to my brilliant plan, will ya!! No, no it won't. If the Separation could be replaced with a fixture object then it would, but being an Opening it's a face item itself so other face items can't overlap it. Or they probably CAN but likely takes some special something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzira Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Who are you drawing this for? My wife? because she lost her keys again and I need you to open up those drawers to see if they are inside. Maybe next to her phone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 This could all be done but it would be pretty gross! The spreader symbol would need to include a face material to represent edge banding. Box construction: Framed Separation: Max. 1/16" Doors and drawers would need to be symbols with 3d offsets. And, if travelling this road, then the drawers should be modeled with a separate component to represent the front member of the drawer box. This type of cabinet construction usually has the drawer faces added to a drawer box.Cabinet Spreader.calibz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 These are stretchers being discussed here. Everybody in the biz calls them that. Base cabinets are built this way, one front and one rear. But not a sink base, which has a stretcher across its top front, and none on top. It is done as material savings and countertops conceal it all. I don't understand the point of having Chief do these for us. We use eCabinets software to get our cabinets, sourcing the carcases from the CNC cutter, the fronts from one of the door and drawerbox houses, and hardware from the usual sources. So cabinets get built on site, typically by the end of the first day. Then the hanging and installing begins. I did a job for a guy that hadn't done site assembly before, and attached here is just one sequence of about a half dozen, to show him how to assemble. What makes it tricky is the captured backs of the cabinets. It seems counterintuitive to fit the back to the top and deck as the first step. Once you have done one, the other fifteen go fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted October 26, 2023 Author Share Posted October 26, 2023 Its back to representing objects like they are actually built in real life, like trusses and energy heels, took chief quite a while to make this right. Its kind of weird that ca allows us to change the interior of the cabinet without changing the face frame. I would suggest that any cabinet built in a factory or on a cnc machine would have edge banding on the face to match the doors. The only cabinets not build this way would be face frame custom cabinets that are painted on site. When I open drawers in chief it should show the spreader bar and the edge material like it is actually built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just a few quick notes: Some ( maybe most) factory built Cabinets are Face Frame. Chief quite accurately handles these Frameless Cabinets are different and CA should provide for their differences as noted in the above posts. Not all Face Frame Cabinets are "Painted on Site". Most are in fact prefinished in the factory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted October 26, 2023 Author Share Posted October 26, 2023 Joe I have to agree to disagree on most cabinets factory built are face frame. can’t build a face frame on a cnc… it would have to be built with solid lumber I would think. in any case there are a **** ton of cabinets that are frameless… faster, cheaper and easy to build. I think most factory build carcasses use particle board with melamine faces, then edge band. better cabinet companies use plywood to build boxes and then edge tape faces ca is incorrectly showing more than 50% of the cabinets wrong. So it’s not a small amount being shown incorrectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 hours ago, dskogg said: Joe I have to agree to disagree on most cabinets factory built are face frame. can’t build a face frame on a cnc… it would have to be built with solid lumber I would think. in any case there are a **** ton of cabinets that are frameless… faster, cheaper and easy to build. I think most factory build Hi David, I know of dozens of manufacturers making hi quality face frame cabinets. Many of them have a presence in Chief's library catalogs. Personally have a distributorship for one Face Frame Cabinet Mfr and all parts (face frames, doors, drawer fronts, box sides, tops, bottoms, backs & shelves) are cut with cnc controls. Their dimensional accuracy limits are 1/32". I can put together an order online and get a quote in less than an hour. Face Frames and Door/Drawers usually are solid lumber pieces but cutting, etc is done with cnc. I do realize that a lot of manufactured cabinets are frameless and I also have access to one of them. CA does need to provide correct representation of frameless cabinets. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 On 10/25/2023 at 5:24 PM, dskogg said: how a cabinet is actually built and replicate in ca In this case 'ca' could mean Canada, not Chief Architect! @dskogg and I know that a face frame cabinet is beyond extremely rare in Canada. In fact, of all the houses I've been a part of, I've never seen them so I'm not actually sure I believe any of you who say a face frame cabinet is even a real thing. You can make a picture of anything these days so that's not proof! Seriously though, they are not the norm in western Canada! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Did this for someone some years ago but couldn't find it. Here's one way, I already had most of the parts. Didfn't bother to add the custom drawerbox but should give you some ideas. The front side tape might be better done using side panels but this works too. Stretchers are put into the back so you have to adjust them to work with the front. Personally I wouldn't bother with it. Was a KD for a few decades and never needed this level with anyone (some 2 dozen suppliers) I got cabinets from. If I did on a regular basis I would use a dedicated cabinet program. I suppose the stretchers could be easy enough if we were allowed to use a custom symbol for separations. I'd rather see time spent elsewhere though- like splitting up front, sides and back in Style Palettes Stretchers and edge banding.zip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisb222 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 12 hours ago, robdyck said: I'm not actually sure I believe any of you who say a face frame cabinet is even a real thing. You can make a picture of anything these days so that's not proof! Nu uh!! ALL cabinets have face frames, cuz that's all I use!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBCooper Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Chris is right! In Chief, all of the cabinets really do have face frames. The frameless cabinets just have a 3/4" face frame that you can see if you turn on "module lines". Now if they would just make them 1/32" thick we would have edge banding instead. I think I agree with Mark though. Although you could model a cabinet exactly like you might build it, it's probably not worth all of the extra work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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