rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, GeneDavis said: None of his four pitches have their baselines parallel to walls. Mr Rocky needs some training. And some time with the videos. And a lot of practice. Mr Rocky agrees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcowscarnival Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Renerabbit, slightly off-topic, what auto roof method did you use to extend the slope down on the garage bump-out? I know its easy with manual, but I'm curious about auto settings there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, rlackore said: This is a big part of your problem: Note that the arrow showing the slope isn't perpendicular to the 8:12 roof. You need to orient the 10:12 roof to be perpendicular to the 8:12 roof. EDIT: Kevin caught this right away (I was a bit slower than everyone else). So the perpendicularity of the slope arrows is a way to check if the baseline is angled correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, rockyshepheard said: Mr Rocky agrees! The reason I post the videos is because I've done it all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: Yeah might not exist but not sure why you want to use it? Is the task more complex than joining the roof planes? There are 3 different pitches which does complicate things but have never tried the approach you're undertaking. Can't suggest a method to help with that direction. Good luck. Curious, is that a technique that another program might use? New to me. Again good luck. There are only 2 roof pitches...maybe one change on me. No unusual technique. Just trying to make roof plane edged connect. The baseline issue is probably my biggest problem. Also changing an edge angle and having the entire plane move instead of the line whose angle I'm trying to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Last vid....don't worry you'll get it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: The reason I post the videos is because I've done it all. Gave you a +1 on the vids, I made one for auto-roof , you beat me to it all , cheers excuse my grogginess, not a morning person, HA! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, madcowscarnival said: Renerabbit, slightly off-topic, what auto roof method did you use to extend the slope down on the garage bump-out? I know its easy with manual, but I'm curious about auto settings there. I posted a vid..see above..will be HD quality in a few minutes more once youtube processes it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said: Gave you a +1 on the vids, I made one for auto-roof , you beat me to it all , cheers excuse my grogginess, not a morning person, HA! Always appreciate your vids Rene. Learn something every time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcowscarnival Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Thanks Renerabbit. I figured it was an easy solution, and had tried the "extend downward" but didn't realize the need to change side walls to gable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, rockyshepheard said: So the perpendicularity of the slope arrows is a way to check if the baseline is angled correctly? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rpadge Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 You can turn off the layers that you dont need while you are doing your roof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said: Gave you a +1 on the vids, I made one for auto-roof , you beat me to it all , cheers excuse my grogginess, not a morning person, HA! Thank you for the video!! I originally had CA autobuild the roof but was sucked into modifying the planes because that v shaped intersection of the walls was far too big as you can see in the attached screen shot from ACAD. So when I get it closer to that size, the roofs overlap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 I'd don't have a lot of money but realize I need some training. I just worry that I'll spend money and then just go over the things I may already know. I'd like to learn the things I don't already know. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, rockyshepheard said: Thank you for the video!! I originally had CA autobuild the roof but was sucked into modifying the planes because that v shaped intersection of the walls was far too big as you can see in the attached screen shot from ACAD. So when I get it closer to that size, the roofs overlap. I don't have enough digits on my hands and feet to count the amount of times a CAD operator was incorrect. If you have your wall dimensions correct and your elevations correct and your roof slopes correct then the only thing left to ponder is if the CAD operator was incorrect. Also I'm assuming this is for the purpose of rendering only? If you haven't billed for a level of detail that would encompass 100% accuracy, then I would be clear that its worth cheating some numbers. Ask your client if close enough is close enough or would they like to spend $1000's more to get 100% accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kMoquin Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, rockyshepheard said: So the perpendicularity of the slope arrows is a way to check if the baseline is angled correctly? Just make sure your "Roof, Baselines" layer is on. I had to turn that layer on in your file to make my "diagnosis" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, rockyshepheard said: Thank you for the video!! I originally had CA autobuild the roof but was sucked into modifying the planes because that v shaped intersection of the walls was far too big as you can see in the attached screen shot from ACAD. So when I get it closer to that size, the roofs overlap. Maybe rewatch the vid I made- I think maybe you missed the step about changing the roof pitch to 10:12 on each side. My roof shows a very similar size "v" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Rocky, ever thought of creating your own layer set or annotation set just for working on roofs? It'd be a huge help and is really quite simple. Just copy a layer set or annotation set, rename it, then turn off everything you don't use or want to see. Lock everything else that you don't want to accidentally select or change when working on the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said: Maybe rewatch the vid I made- I think maybe you missed the step about changing the roof pitch to 10:12 on each side. My roof shows a very similar size "v" I'm using the file you sent to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, rockyshepheard said: I'm using the file you sent to me. follow the vid, that file I didn't change the slope to 10 and 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 When using auto roofs, if the roof is not correct after the first build, don't give up and go to manual. I find it is good practice to persevere with the auto roof build. Instead of trying to manually edit the auto roof planes, leave auto build on, tile a 3D view and floor plan, and edit the building structure or roof settings and see what they do to the auto roof build. More often that not, it just requires a change to either the Roof panel of the Wall Specification dbx or the Build Roof dbx, to get the correct roof to build. It should not take long at all to build an auto roof on a plan like that and you will have no problems with joining roof angles, rotated roof planes, baselines in the wrong location, etc... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 15 hours ago, glennw said: When using auto roofs, if the roof is not correct after the first build, don't give up and go to manual. I find it is good practice to persevere with the auto roof build. Instead of trying to manually edit the auto roof planes, leave auto build on, tile a 3D view and floor plan, and edit the building structure or roof settings and see what they do to the auto roof build. More often that not, it just requires a change to either the Roof panel of the Wall Specification dbx or the Build Roof dbx, to get the correct roof to build. It should not take long at all to build an auto roof on a plan like that and you will have no problems with joining roof angles, rotated roof planes, baselines in the wrong location, etc... Thanks. What did you mean by 'tile the 3D view and floor plan"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Tile the 3D view and floor plan. Just as is shown right from the beginning in this training video. https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/5447/roof-basics.html?playlist=95 Have you watched this video? Have you watched all the training videos in the roof series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just now, GeneDavis said: ...... Have you watched this video? Have you watched all the training videos in the roof series? I think it’s fairly obvious that the answer is NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 I actually have. And I've never seen one that said you should not draw a plant that could intersect another plane that is at a different height because it will make original plane take on the height of the plane it overlaps (even though they are drawn on different floors. There may be lots of nuances that these videos don't cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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