Joe_Carrick Posted Wednesday at 12:49 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:49 PM In California we use modified versions of the IBC & RBC. Our current versions is 2022 CBC & CRC. Are there any jurisdictiions (States, Provinces, Countries) using anything other than the IBC & RBC? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted Wednesday at 01:02 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:02 PM Wisconsin uses its own residential code called the Uniform Dwelling Code. It's quite abbreviated compared to the IRC. Whenever there is talk of adopting a model code, there is tremendous resistance from contractors. It's also very difficult to enact code changes due to a convoluted legislative process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kMoquin Posted Wednesday at 01:18 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:18 PM 2021 I-Codes for Maine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted Wednesday at 01:19 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 01:19 PM (edited) This is an example of the codes list I use in San Diego County. Can you provide a list your jurisdiction requires? I'm trying to create a comprehensive macro for as many locals as possible. Edited Wednesday at 01:20 PM by Joe_Carrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted Wednesday at 01:22 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 01:22 PM 3 minutes ago, kMoquin said: 2021 I-Codes for Maine How often are the codes updated? Is it regular every 3-4 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted Wednesday at 01:32 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 01:32 PM 28 minutes ago, rlackore said: Wisconsin uses its own residential code called the Uniform Dwelling Code. We used to have the "UBC - Uniform Building Code" in California. Is your code derived from that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoeGia Posted Wednesday at 01:52 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:52 PM Massachusetts follows the 2021 IBC & IRC with Massachusetts Amendments. Previous to July 2024, we followed the 2015 codes. They alternate updating the energy code and building codes so we're always dealing with some code changes. Energy codes are further dictated by towns (can pick between 3 models). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted Wednesday at 02:26 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:26 PM 43 minutes ago, Joe_Carrick said: We used to have the "UBC - Uniform Building Code" in California. Is your code derived from that? No idea, but I doubt it. It was created during the Carter years but wasn't enforced state-wide until the 2000's. It's a Frankenstein: our UDC is written into the Wisconsin Administrative Code, so any changes are an act of legislation - much more difficult than simply adopting a model code by reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted Wednesday at 03:10 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 03:10 PM 34 minutes ago, rlackore said: It was created during the Carter years but wasn't enforced state-wide until the 2000's. It's a Frankenstein: Undoubtedly it was derived from the UBC or BOCA. I remember the time clearly and while I no longer have a copy of UBC or BOCA it appears your code is very much a version of one of those codes. As you say, it's a Frankenstein. The IBC wasn't in existence prior to 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted Wednesday at 03:20 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 03:20 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, MoeGia said: Massachusetts follows the 2021 IBC & IRC with Massachusetts Amendments. Hi Maureen, California updates every 3 years. Do you know if Massachusetts is going to adopt a similar strategy? The last time was evidently an increment of 6 years. Edited Wednesday at 03:22 PM by Joe_Carrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHCanada2 Posted Wednesday at 04:15 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:15 PM Canada has its own building code with no references to any other building code And then some provinces have their own version of that building code. It comes out every 5? years. And there is the National electrical code, and national plumbing code, and fire code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted Wednesday at 05:04 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 05:04 PM (edited) 50 minutes ago, SHCanada2 said: Canada has its own building code with no references to any other building code And then some provinces have their own version of that building code. It comes out every 5? years. And there is the National electrical code, and national plumbing code, and fire code What would you place on your title sheet as the code list? Can you post a screen shot? Edited Wednesday at 05:05 PM by Joe_Carrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHCanada2 Posted Wednesday at 06:15 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:15 PM I'm not at my CA computer, but I provide a blanket caveat, because the time of the plans is not necessarily the time of the permit. Where I do specify a particular code (energy compliance), I list out the sections, but now that you mention it, I should qualify it as which edition/year. It gets a little tricky sometimes because the govt will issue clarification bulletins post the issuance or the local jurisdiction will issue variances. In the variance case, I will stipulate the variance order #, but not always, if it is so widespread that everyone knows. ALL CONSTRUCTION MUST COMPLY WITH NATIONAL BUILDING CODE (ALBERTA EDITION) & CANADIAN ELECTRICAL CODE(CEC) IN EFFECT AT TIME OF PERMIT THE FOLLOWING ARE NOT EXHAUSTIVE, BUT ARE PROVIDED FOR CONVENIENCE NBC ALBERTA (2023) Division B, 9.9.4.2. Fire Separations for Exits - 2) Where an exit is located in a house with a secondary suite including their common spaces, the exit shall be protected by a continuous smoke-tight barrier of not less than 12.7 mm thick gypsum board installed on a) both sides of walls separating the exit from the remainder of the building, and b) the underside of floor-ceiling framing separating the exit from the remainder of the building. (See Sentence 9.10.9.3.(2) for closures) Division B, 9.9.10.1. Bedroom windows shall provide a minimum unobstructed opening of 0.35 sq. m. (3.77 sq. ft.) with no dimension less than 380mm (15"). Window shall be openable from the inside without the use of keys, tools or special knowledge and without the removal of sashes or hardware and maintain the required opening during an emergency without the need for additional support. Division B, 9.10.8.3. Fire-Resistance Ratings for Walls, Columns and Arches Light-frame walls, columns, arches and beams as well as loadbearing steel elements that support floors between dwelling units in a house with a secondary suite including their common spaces shall be protected by not less than 12.7 mm thick gypsum board. Division B, 9.10.9.3.(2) Openings to be Protected with Closures - Doors in smoke-tight barriers shall a) be solid-core, wood doors at least 45 mm thick, and b) have a self-closing device. Division B, 9.10.9.14. Walls and floor-ceiling framing in a house with a secondary suite that separate dwelling units from each other or dwelling units from ancillary spaces and common spaces to be protected by a continuous smoke-tight barrier of not less than 12.7 mm thick gypsum board installed on a) both sides of walls, and b) the underside of floor-ceiling framing. Division B, 9.10.10.4. Location of Fuel-Fired Appliances - 2) Except as required in the appliance installation standards referenced in Sentences 6.2.1.4.(1), 9.33.5.2.(1) and 9.33.5.3.(1), fuel-fired space-heating appliances, space-cooling appliances, service water heaters and laundry appliances need not be separated from the remainder of the building as required in Sentence (1), b) where the appliances i) serve a house with a secondary suite including their common spaces, and ii) are located in a service room where both sides of any wall assemblies and the underside of any floor-ceiling framing separating this room from both dwelling units or their common spaces are protected by a continuous smoke-tight barrier consisting of not less than 12.7 mm thick gypsum board. Division B, 9.10.19.1. Required Smoke Alarms - 1) Smoke alarms conforming to CAN/ULC-S531, 'Smoke-Alarms,' shall be installed in c) ancillary spaces and common spaces not in dwelling units in a house with a secondary suite. Division B, 9.11.1.1. (2) Where a house contains a secondary suite, each dwelling unit shall be separated from every other space in the house in which noise may be transmitted by a) construction conforming to this article b) construction providing an STC rating of not less than 43, or c) a separating assembly and adjoining constructions, which together provide an ASTC rating of not less than 40. Division B, 9.32.3.9.(7) Carbon Monoxide Alarms - Where CO alarms are installed in a house with a secondary suite including their common and service spaces, the CO alarms shall be wired so that the activation of any one CO alarm causes all CO alarms within the house with a secondary suite including their common spaces to sound. Division B, 9.33.1.1.(3) Air duct distribution systems serving one of the dwelling units in a house with a secondary suite shall not be directly interconnected with other parts of the house. Division C, 2.2.10.9. Responsibility for Compliance 1) Neither the issuance of a permit nor inspections made by the authority having jurisdiction shall in any way relieve the owner of a building from full responsibility for carrying out the construction or having the construction carried out in accordance with the requirements of the Safety Codes Act and its Regulations, this Code, or the permit, including compliance with any special conditions required by the authority having jurisdiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para-CAD Posted Wednesday at 06:47 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:47 PM (edited) W. WA state I know you didn't need Design Criteria, but here it is anyway...........it varies slightly by AHJ here (snow loads and seismic mostly) Edited Wednesday at 06:52 PM by para-CAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted Wednesday at 07:09 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 07:09 PM 14 minutes ago, para-CAD said: I know you didn't need Design Criteria, but here it is anyway...........it varies slightly by AHJ here (snow loads and seismic mostly) Thanks. Live Loads and Design Criteria I handle separately (as Structural). My "Codes" macro will list the codes for Washington as you show - without the indication of what sections are not adopted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveNovato Posted Wednesday at 08:00 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:00 PM In the San Francisco Bay Area it seems that every city and county wants additional items from their jurisdiction. I finally added a line "any and all codes adopted by this jurisdiction". Seems to work so far... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoeGia Posted Thursday at 11:18 AM Share Posted Thursday at 11:18 AM 19 hours ago, Joe_Carrick said: Hi Maureen, California updates every 3 years. Do you know if Massachusetts is going to adopt a similar strategy? The last time was evidently an increment of 6 years. Previous to 2015, we were on the 2009 code, so every 6 years seems right. I don't know if there's any plan to update on a tighter schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richoffan Posted Thursday at 05:34 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:34 PM Here's a few from recent projects Joe I have no idea how you could pull this off but good luck to ya. Denver, for example, started reviewing plans submitted after June 13th using the "new" codes which don't go into effect until Dec31st and try scheduling inspections on the last one Larimer County Colorado 2021 International Residential Code (IRC) 2021 International Building Code (IBC) 2021 International Energy Conservation Code (IECC) 2021 International Existing Building Code (IEBC) 2021 International Fuel Gas Code (IFGC) 2021 International Mechanical Code (IMC) 2021 International Plumbing Code (IPC) 2021 International Property Maintenance Code (IPMC) 2021 International Swimming Pool and Spa Code (ISPSC) 2023 National Electrical Code (NEC) Building Code St Charles IL The City utilizes the following codes in the review of building permits: *Codes with City amendments • 2021 International Residential Code* - City Amendments • 2021 International Pool & Spa Code* - City Amendments • 2021 International Mechanical Code* - City Amendments • 2021 International Fuel Gas Code* - City Amendments • 2020 National Electric Code (NEC)* - City Amendments • Illinois State Plumbing Code (2014) • 2021 Illinois / International Energy Conservation Code • 2021 International Existing Building Code* - City Amendments • 2021 International Fire Code* - City Amendments • 2018 Illinois Accessibility Code City Codes • Building Codes (Title 15) - To view all adopted building codes and City amendments And for stepping out of your “comfort zone” FC 3-260-06F Air Force Design, Construction, Maintenance, and Evaluation of Snow and Ice Airfields in Antarctica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted 15 hours ago Author Share Posted 15 hours ago There are basically two issues I need to make this work for all states. What name does the state use for codes? (State Name or "International" or ????) What code year? and how often updated Any info on those items would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javatom Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago This can get complicated very quickly. Many towns and counties have their own addendums. In Coeur d'Alene, ID (Kootenai County) we use IRC code books. The local addendums however, are a bit more restrictive. One example is the requirement for an engineered calculation for any opening over 6'. I imagine every local jurisdiction has a version of their own local addendums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richoffan Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago That's the thing Joe, not all states use state wide codes. For example, Chicago has it's own Chicago codes completely independent of Illinois state codes. Denver and Denver County are different from other jurisdictions in Colorado. I run across this a lot. It's become my habit to check before starting any project, certainly before starting construction docs. Thankfully most jurisdictions' building department websites post them. Is it possible to create a link if you populate the jurisdiction? I've also started adding QR codes to plans with very good feedback. Another "confuse the innocent" scenario I've come across several times is an address located in one jurisdiction but under a different building department jurisdiction using a different or newer / older code or worse "local amendments" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted 13 hours ago Author Share Posted 13 hours ago (edited) 16 minutes ago, richoffan said: That's the thing Joe, not all states use state wide codes. Not a problem as long as I have a list of jurisdictions that are different from "International" or "State". Cities, Counties, Provences & Territories can be handled very easily. I would add those as i find what they are. Currently I know about Denver & Denver County in Colorado and St Charles in Louisiane. I've also accommodated the Canadian Provences & Territories. Some States jus adopt a version of the International codes while others use a State name (often but not always a modified version of the International Code) Edited 13 hours ago by Joe_Carrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago Can you incorporate the idiosyncrasies of a single building inspector who decides to interpret codes differently than any other jurisdiction, or even any other inspector in their own office? And any written code note that we could include on a plan has to allow for inconsistent application and enforcement of the aforementioned idiosyncrasies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted 8 hours ago Author Share Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, robdyck said: Can you incorporate the idiosyncrasies of a single building inspector who decides to interpret codes differently than any other jurisdiction, or even any other inspector in their own office? And any written code note that we could include on a plan has to allow for inconsistent application and enforcement of the aforementioned idiosyncrasies. No, that can't be done. It's the responsibility of the design professional to make the arguements supporting his/her interpretation of the code. Building Inspectors and Plan Checkers are not infallible. I've had many cases in the last 55 years where they interpreted code sections incorrectly. This happens with almost every project. In post Covid California it's even worse because most plan review is being farmed out to contract plan check firms. If you let them get away with it then you just have to live with what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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