alaska Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Using X-7 does anyone know of a way to add structural columns in the railing to support a roof for a covered deck? I'm trying to add them in specific locations (unequal spacing) so not to interfere w/ views from door and windows. I've done it before using cad blocks or even soffits but thought there might be better way. Inquiring minds want to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 If you place an opening in railing it will place a newel post at each end. Use post to beam and adjust beam size. If you place them correctly it will work. You can also just place the post separately as a symbol. For that you need to change the newel to 1/16" and it will go away. I do both depending on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Bill, invisible walls won't have the beam on top. I guess you could just add the beam seperately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I'm thinking, but can't get my mind around it, to me invisible walls won't show the rail or the top hdr. The break wall will do it, but only if it not invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Bill that is very nice, I didn't test it because PC is a bit far, but hope the magic is the point that the invisible wall intersects the railing automatically gives a newel at that point! Really nice trick. I think I won the gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Here is a clue... WHAT IS "HANGMAN" THE ANSWER? Let's play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Perry, draw three parallel invisible railing walls at rondom interval, then draw a normal railing that crosses the former three. 4 segments of railings are resulted, but the most important point here I think is you can drag the invisible wall to both +x and -x so that the corresponding newel moves with it, and nothing disturbs like when you break the wall and not change the property of one in the structure tab, then it joins back after clicking that wall during work. Even if you change the property of one of the walls you need two steps to move the break to where you want. Bill's way is soooooo easy that you simply drag the invisible wall to position newels. Hope I did not state the obvious bill, before testing it I thought it was simple but not just an easy task to figure out quickly. Thank you very much bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I still don't know why you would need the invisible walls, when just the openings will do it. Stop messing with my tiny brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief58 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Perry if you still wanted the beam with post and did the invisible wall where you wanted the post you can control where you wanted the post, and if railings were on there ok if you wanted no railings but still wanted post with beam I can see where Bills method would work well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyToo Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Just what I was looking for to gain greater control over the spacing of the balusters in the individual railing sections of different lengths, keeping them spaced equidistant from the columns, which themselves can be now be varied in size (although if you do vary the size of the columns the balusters will not remain equidistant). Perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Very nice system for that situation guys, nice one Bill, thought you were messing with me at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
country Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Excellent suggestion. I was having a terrible time with a multi-height deck ceiling and getting the supports correct, this solved the issue. THANK YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryceEngstrom Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Be very mindful using breaks and invisible walls to locate structural posts. There is a known bug with this which I have reported. It will look right one minute and then move or edit a connected wall and/or railing and suddenly the columns move, double up, and do any number of weird things. I am back to placing them manually as Perry suggested. Am hoping this gets fixed soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Bryce I had the same thing happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJSpud Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 It would be nice if the room divider worked for Bill's method but I can't get it to work. Thanks for the tip Bill. Edit: Just hide the invisible walls by making their line color white or no color, or if possible, just turn the layer off. This takes care of any undesirable plan view issues regarding using invisible walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Be very mindful using breaks and invisible walls to locate structural posts. There is a known bug with this which I have reported. It will look right one minute and then move or edit a connected wall and/or railing and suddenly the columns move, double up, and do any number of weird things. I am back to placing them manually as Perry suggested. Am hoping this gets fixed soon.Bryce, have you followed the post #10 explanation?I don't think those weird things occur and I am not directly using a break but crossing invisible wall, This is my thought on bill's yet unanswered homework , may be he will explain a different and easier way. Any way thanks bill for sharing this good thing. Here is a video if any one needs more clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 It would be nice if the room divider worked for Bill's method but I can't get it to work. Thanks for the tip Bill. Edit: Just hide the invisible walls by making their line color white or no color, or if possible, just turn the layer off. This takes care of any undesirable plan view issues regarding using invisible walls. Curt, it works also for the room divider! Simply the same way as I explained above.Thanks curt for thinking of more perfect way to do it. Here goes chieeef! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJSpud Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 yusuf: I must have been doing something wrong the first time I tried it. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryceEngstrom Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Bryce, have you followed the post #10 explanation? I don't think those weird things occur and I am not directly using a break but crossing invisible wall, This is my thought on bill's yet unanswered homework , may be he will explain a different and easier way. Any way thanks bill for sharing this good thing. Here is a video if any one needs more clarification. Yes, I have. All I can tell you is that initially it seems to work, but then problems develop. It will correct itself temporarily, sometimes, then go bad again. As I said, it's an acknowledged bug. Just keep an eye out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Well, I can not insist there is no bug. chief's behaviour is volatile in most of it's operation, while it is again what makes up its beauty. A lot of ways to do, but the broken ramp is the most stable way as we have discussed in an earlier thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimSchrock Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I do break walls on the railings all the time. If you leave the "exterior" on the same side then it will re-attach to the next section, but just flip the railings and they remain where they need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I do break walls on the railings all the time. If you leave the "exterior" on the same side then it will re-attach to the next section, but just flip the railings and they remain where they need to be. thx ...nice Tip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 yusuf: I must have been doing something wrong the first time I tried it. Thanks. I found you had to draw the "break" walls/room divider 1st , then the railing ,or drag the railing over them afterwards or it didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyToo Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I do break walls on the railings all the time. If you leave the "exterior" on the same side then it will re-attach to the next section, but just flip the railings and they remain where they need to be. Yes, very nice tip! And then you can even delete the invisible walls. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Why not just use the post tool? I set the space between posts at 2000' so that there is one in the corner, and just use the post tool to place the random posts exactly where I want them. Model like you build and life with Chief gets easier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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