bluesparrowllc Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Hello, I am a new user of X12 although I upgraded from Pro 2020 a few weeks ago. I am trying to make a mulled window, vertically stacked. The X12 Reference Manual states that all I have to do is group select my windows and click the Make Mulled Unit icon but....that edit button does not appear on my Edit toolbar that I currently have placed just above the tabs on the upper left side of the screen. The icon does appear if I group select a door and a window. No problem with that at all and I love it. Any helpful ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Are they on different floors? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesparrowllc Posted June 19, 2020 Author Share Posted June 19, 2020 No. They are both located on the same floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Would need the plan file. Something is off because it works for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy1 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Try setting the "separation" for whatever the distance is between the two windows. Then bump them together and see if they will mull. Just an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Do you want them mulled with that large space between? I know they will mull if stacked close, but you are beyond the mull join distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, GeneDavis said: but you are beyond the mull join distance. Not really sure why but I think the maximum distance is 24" and it looks to me that it is within that but something to check for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgardner Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 May be something with those particular symbols. Not sure what. Would need the plan file as Joey mentions. But the two labels are identical so something is up. Maybe just the labels are set manually?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 See pic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidJPotter Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Mulling is for windows that are dead close together. Your windows are NOT and thus do not qualify nor could then be bought as a single unit. They are two separate windows and would be framed as such and that IS why they will not mull, nor should they. DJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesparrowllc Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 Thanks to all for the suggestions. I have moved the windows much closer together and the mull icon is still missing. GeneDavis, I haven't gotten that error message. I also changed the Minimum Separation in the Windows default to 1/8" as suggested in the Reference Manual. No dice. It might not matter but the program updated yesterday before I started trying to mull things together. (Again, windows above doors work just fine.) I will attach the plan later today. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Show us a screencap of the situation when you select both windows. The "block" symbol is what you use to mull, and it is there whether or not you can mull the windows. Here is what I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, GeneDavis said: Show us a screencap of the situation when you select both windows. Gene I think doing that twice should be sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I'm with Gene...are you looking for the right tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesparrowllc Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 Thank you for the replies and advice. I used the tool to mull the front door / window. That works fine. The icon is missing from the edit toolbar, circled in red, when I group select two windows, which I have done in the image below. I've also attached the relevant part of my plan file. Unfortunately, I don't know if this was a problem prior to the update yesterday. Plan File.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Kudos to Joey and Eric. You can't mull any windows or doors if they are on different floors. My guess is that you placed the window on floor 2 and just moved it down so it appeared like it was on floor 1 in your camera views. You can actually see that it is still on floor 2 if you look closely at your plan view. FYI, just moving a window up or down will not actually change the floor it is on. You can change the floor by using cut and paste and, to be sure it is on the right floor, I would recommend doing this in a plan view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenbc Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Dermot said: Kudos to Joey and Eric. You can't mull any windows or doors if they are on different floors. My guess is that you placed the window on floor 2 and just moved it down so it appeared like it was on floor 1 in your camera views. You can actually see that it is still on floor 2 if you look closely at your plan view. FYI, just moving a window up or down will not actually change the floor it is on. You can change the floor by using cut and paste and, to be sure it is on the right floor, I would recommend doing this in a plan view. That being the case, what if one has 3 windows, essentially stacked over two floors, like in a stair well where the second floor is set to open below, how does one get around wanting them all mulled but also being able to show a window on the second floor plan (if they are all placed on the first floor)? Adding a 'ghost' window on the second floor won't provide a proper count for window schedules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenbc Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Just read the Premier X12 thread and now see that one can exclude windows from the schedules...so I suppose that's an answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge_Runner Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Would a note on an elevation to mull the windows be an easier method? Might leave a little more room for error but the windows would still show up on the different floor schedules and be included in the job. Could possibly place a note in the window schedule for each unit included that it is a part of a mulled unit. I have placed them on the same floor and moved some of them up, but they don't look right in the plan view - pick your poison I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgardner Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 hours ago, stephenbc said: That being the case, what if one has 3 windows, essentially stacked over two floors, like in a stair well where the second floor is set to open below, how does one get around wanting them all mulled but also being able to show a window on the second floor plan (if they are all placed on the first floor)? Adding a 'ghost' window on the second floor won't provide a proper count for window schedules. Pretty sure I did this on a modern plan I worked on. If I remember right it worked fine. I believe the key was ballon frame the wall first and then you can mull them together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesparrowllc Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 Just tried deleting the top window and sticking a new one next to the lower window and moving it up and over. Viola!! It worked! Thanks so much for the good advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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