decorators3 Posted Tuesday at 07:44 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:44 PM (edited) HI Not sure how to go about this but here is the clients wish list.. - Build a garage 24 x 24 with 9ft ceiling - Build an in-law suite 16' x 24' above the garage with 8' ceiling - Exterior entrance to in law suite I'm pretty sure in order to do this I have to have the exterior walls of the 16' x 24' room extend through the roof on one side in order to have an exterior entrance. but I'm thinking this will be off center Attached is an exterior image example from google search ( only interested in the attic area ) of how I think it will look will work unless you have other suggestions which would be greatly appreciated.. I've never been asked to design this before Cheers Levina Attached is garage plans with attic. i don't see how its possible to have a livable space in the attic (ie) kitchen living room bathroom etc at a comfortable height with 16 x 24 floor plan. knee walls are not very high .. I just need to know it is doable .. with the plan staying within the confines of the roof/attic All your responses and suggestions have been appreciated but I cant seem to get it thanks in advance GARAGEPLANDRAWINGS Brady.pdf Edited yesterday at 02:06 PM by decorators3 adding garage and attic plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericepv Posted Tuesday at 07:57 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:57 PM (edited) Build the in-law suite as another floor on top of your garage. https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/1605/designing-a-one-and-a-half-story-roof.html Edited Tuesday at 08:00 PM by ericepv 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorators3 Posted Tuesday at 08:06 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 08:06 PM Just now, ericepv said: Build the in-law suite as another floor on top of your garage. yes I can do that but 16 x 24 will not be same as the 24 x 24 floor below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBCooper Posted Tuesday at 08:11 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:11 PM Sounds like you are going to want knee walls to make the attic space smaller than the floor below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorators3 Posted Tuesday at 08:31 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 08:31 PM 5 minutes ago, DBCooper said: Sounds like you are going to want knee walls to make the attic space smaller than the floor below. never thought about that. ill look up the help videos thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesVolz Posted Tuesday at 08:50 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:50 PM Just design it any way you want it...then roof it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorators3 Posted Tuesday at 09:13 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 09:13 PM yes I can do that but trying to figure out how to get the exterior walls to protrude through the roof like the image I attached... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisb222 Posted Tuesday at 09:33 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:33 PM 15 minutes ago, decorators3 said: how to get the exterior walls to protrude through the roof like the image I attached. I don't think that image is what your client is asking for. I think they want an attic room contained entirely within the roof, with knee walls as someone else said: It can easily be done with trusses called attic room trusses or bonus room trusses. The second story walls do not protrude through the roof. The 8' ceiling will be in the center of the room, with a sloping ceiling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorators3 Posted Tuesday at 09:45 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 09:45 PM 11 minutes ago, Chrisb222 said: I don't think that image is what your client is asking for. I think they want an attic room contained entirely within the roof, with knee walls as someone else said: It can easily be done with trusses called attic room trusses or bonus room trusses. The second story walls do not protrude through the roof. The 8' ceiling will be in the center of the room, with a sloping ceiling. yes that's correct .. you're right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorators3 Posted Tuesday at 10:02 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 10:02 PM 14 minutes ago, decorators3 said: yes that's correct .. you're right... ok Ill follow your information guide thanks - so will it be viable for a 16 x 24 ft room with kitchen bedroom bath etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garybills Posted Tuesday at 10:53 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:53 PM Chris is correct about attic trusses; I just finished this bonus room over Master Suite addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorators3 Posted Tuesday at 11:27 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 11:27 PM 32 minutes ago, Garybills said: Chris is correct about attic trusses; I just finished this bonus room over Master Suite addition. so how high are the side walls before they angle up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garybills Posted Tuesday at 11:31 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:31 PM 2 minutes ago, decorators3 said: so how high are the side walls before they angle up These are 4'10". The owner wanted to drop the ceiling enough to have 12" for extra insulation. Here is the section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHCanada2 Posted yesterday at 04:54 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:54 AM (edited) 9 hours ago, decorators3 said: Build an in-law suite 16' x 24' above the garage with 8' ceiling - Exterior entrance to in law suite I'm pretty sure in order to do this I have to have the exterior walls of the 16' x 24' room extend through the roof on one side in order to have an exterior entrance. but I'm thinking this will be off center Attached is an exterior image example from google search ( only interested in the attic area ) of how I think it will look will work unless you have other suggestions which would be greatly appreciated.. You may not need the attic/turned into living space concept. the image posted appears to me to just be a second storey as the second storey walls look to be bearing on the first storey walls. if they want 16x24 on top of a 24x24 garage, I would just put a first storey roof over the back 8' and align the three walls to the garage walls at the front, and if they want a vaulted ceiling starting at 5' on the sides(maybe to meet height restrictions?), then draw in ceiling planes to give you the roof trusses. The front gable does not look like a real gable, it looks like an eave drawn to look like a gable. But if I were them, I would build 24x24 on top and if they want the back 8ft to be nothing then just make it storage. You can dress upt the roofs how you would like As you are in canada, beware the outside stairs, if conditioned, you will need to pipe heat in there, or you can put a door at the top and leave unconditioned. In alberta, the outside stairs are a "tall wall" and will require engineering. Also, not sure how your jurisdiction treats limiting distance. Here I have to draw an imaginary property line between the garage suite and the house and then calculate unprotected openings and ensure the aggregate is less than the table in the NBC Edited yesterday at 05:05 AM by SHCanada2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorators3 Posted yesterday at 11:51 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 11:51 AM I'm trying to get my head around this attic space for an in law suite. the garage is 24' x 24' with a 12:12 roof pitch. I cannot see how a 16 x 24 with with kitchen - bedroom bathroom etc is viable in this space. I've attached the garage showing attic plan for you to have a look and let me know if I'm missing something or trying it too long. all your help has been truly appreciated GARAGEPLANDRAWINGS Brady.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitMan71 Posted yesterday at 02:07 PM Share Posted yesterday at 02:07 PM (edited) You will for sure have to add a wide shed dormer to one side.... This can give you the head clearance needed. I would also raise the roof bearing up a bit to give more usable width in the middle. Edited yesterday at 02:07 PM by PitMan71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisb222 Posted yesterday at 02:43 PM Share Posted yesterday at 02:43 PM 2 hours ago, decorators3 said: I cannot see how a 16 x 24 with with kitchen - bedroom bathroom etc is viable in this space. Add dormers to increase full wall height spaces, can be gable or shed. This is one I did a few years back: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorators3 Posted yesterday at 02:51 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 02:51 PM 7 minutes ago, Chrisb222 said: Add dormers to increase full wall height spaces, can be gable or shed. This is one I did a few years back: perfect Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorators3 Posted yesterday at 02:54 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 02:54 PM 9 minutes ago, Chrisb222 said: Add dormers to increase full wall height spaces, can be gable or shed. This is one I did a few years back: do I still go through the process of attic trusses etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisb222 Posted yesterday at 03:01 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:01 PM 4 minutes ago, decorators3 said: do I still go through the process of attic trusses etc? Do you mean for construction? Or to build the model in Chief? The last picture is an attic truss, but it can be stick framed as well. If you mean to just build the model in Chief you just need to create the rooms and roof planes, you don't have to frame it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorators3 Posted yesterday at 03:02 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 03:02 PM Just now, Chrisb222 said: Do you mean for construction? Or to build the model in Chief? The last picture is an attic truss, but it can be stick framed as well. If you mean to just build the model in Chief you just need to create the rooms and roof planes, you don't have to frame it. well its going to need final drawings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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