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FRAMING DETAIL HELP

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Good Afternoon All,

 

I am having issues with my drawing and could really use some help. This is a whole house renovation we are working on and I have viewed the help videos and still can not get my 2 gable walls to display properly. is there something I have set wrong or just plainly enough doing wrong.  the issue is in the 4 season room. this is an addition to the back of the existing home, about 8 feet of the addition is in the kitchen and will have a 8' ceiling and the rest of the addition will have cathedral ceiling with either 2x8 or 2x10 rafters and close cell insulation to meet codes. Thank you in advance for any and all help! 

 

In some of the 3d and framing views from the interior looking out the gables are missing, also when I tell CA to re-frame it always changes items...

 

Anthony Costanzo, CR CLC

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I added the plan, I am on V10. Will add the other items also, Thank you.

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12 minutes ago, woodwizard said:

In some of the 3d and framing views from the interior looking out the gables are missing,

 

Your saved camera is a Floor Camera. Review the Full Camera and how the 2 differ.

 

What else is wrong?

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When I do framing over view I can see the framing on the inside gable but nothing on the exterior gable. I went through the help videos and cant get this correct. I want my wall to have a double top plate and then have the gable built to accept the windows. Hope that makes sence

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Ideally on the exterior wall I want to have a PSL post extending up to support the structural ridge.  I am going to duplicate that same PSL post in the kitchen wall.  The structural ridge will extend back to the second floor wall and tie into a beam pocket.

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I manually drew in the gable wall, and built framing.  Don't know why the Build Framing For Selected Object tool was not available.

 

Looks like your windows are the issue. I deleted the one on the left and the framing shows as I believe you want.

 

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8 minutes ago, solver said:

Don't know why the Build Framing For Selected Object tool was not available.

It's because Retain Wall Framing was checked.  Or maybe something like this is what the OP was looking for?

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...if so, Chief currently isn't quite smart enough to get that right automatically.  You'll just have to manually modify the framing.

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Alaskan Son, that is the way I see it being build along with my engineer.  

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One think I've found is that "Gable-End Trusses" don't provide a finished Gable End Wall in 3D Views.  We have to add "Attic Walls" without framing in order to get the 3D to display correctly.  IMO, we should be able to just specify the exterior layers to be added to the "Gable-End Trusses" similar to a Wall Material Region.

 

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So, on the second floor wall I have to uncheck retain framing? What are the correct settings in structural section for the main wall and the gable wall.

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2 minutes ago, Joe_Carrick said:

One think I've found is that "Gable-End Trusses" don't provide a finished Gable End Wall in 3D Views.  We have to add "Attic Walls" without framing in order to get the 3D to display correctly.  IMO, we should be able to just specify the exterior layers to be added to the "Gable-End Trusses" similar to a Wall Material Region.

 

 

Are you talking about an actual gable end truss?  If so, I don't have any problem with those...

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This is all auto framed. The only thing wrong I think, is the bottom plate on the upper wall.

 

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And that can be fixed by changing the wall framing settings.

 

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Eric, that is pretty close to what I am trying to create. I can then add in the PSL Post manually. I have been changing different items and found that if the exterior wall is balloon framed then I can place the windows higher and the way I'd like but still cant get it as close as you did on the first one. I must have settings wrong in the wall structure tab.

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19 minutes ago, woodwizard said:

Eric, that is pretty close to what I am trying to create. I can then add in the PSL Post manually. I have been changing different items and found that if the exterior wall is balloon framed then I can place the windows higher and the way I'd like but still cant get it as close as you did on the first one. I must have settings wrong in the wall structure tab.

 

In my opinion, none of the setting variations you could possibly try will frame your situation quite right with Chief's current framing rules and no matter what you do you'll still have to manually modify it.  Either the headers won't be right or the plates won't be right, or something won't be right.  I'd recommend you just frame the lower wall, frame the upper wall, and then modify the framing as necessary to get what you ACTUALLY want which I typically do in Wall Detail.

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41 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said:

 

Are you talking about an actual gable end truss?  If so, I don't have any problem with those...

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Delete the Attic Gable End Wall.  Right now you have both a Gable End Truss and an Attic Wall.  That means that if you Build all Wall Framing you will have a mess.

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14 minutes ago, Joe_Carrick said:

Delete the Attic Gable End Wall.  Right now you have both a Gable End Truss and an Attic Wall.  That means that if you Build all Wall Framing you will have a mess.

Actually, I used a unique wall type...

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Yes Eric, that is the closest one. I will open the one you sent and see what I can do and post any other questions.  As usual, this group of Chief Architect users never ceases to amaze me with the want to help others. Awesome group, thanks!

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1 hour ago, Joe_Carrick said:

Delete the Attic Gable End Wall.  Right now you have both a Gable End Truss and an Attic Wall.  That means that if you Build all Wall Framing you will have a mess.

 

I have Noticed this Issue for a While too , the Reduced Gable / End truss does not eliminate the wall framing automatically like Trusses do will ceiling Joists and Rafters. Maybe I need to play more but I have not found the "Special Combo" of Check Boxes and Truss Placement (possibly?) to correct this automatically.

 

M.

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Pretty large opening headers for a gable end.  If I was paying for the lumber I would have someone check it.

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Eric, i was able to import your wall into my layout but can not get it to frame. It frames everything but that wall. Am I missing anything?

 

Gene, my engineer always reviews our projects as specs what is needed.

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I'm not the one to be responding to framing related questions, but if you post the plan I'll have a look and maybe someone else who knows framing will too.

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