Tdgdesign Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Hi all. New to X9 from like V10.0something. The undo command back THEN was a major shortcoming of this program. It still is today. Might even be worse, IMO. I am currently renting-to-own this program and overall am very happy with a lot of the new features that have been added over the years but this lack of functionality with the Undo command is a major disappointment. It really impedes the creative process when you're constantly thinking about how long it will take to Undo the commands you need to implement in order to test drive a new design element. Having to constantly save and reboot is a major pain in the butt. On top of that you cant even see what commands you are actually undoing while it is lagging out or if the undo command was even recognized by the program at all. This is simply awful. I think this issue is what keeps Chief in the minor leagues. To be able to do and undo on the fly is critical for good design. I am really considering terminating my rent-to-own over this unless there is some workaround I am missing. I have tried turning off all unnecessary elements, layers, etc and it really doesn't help. I am running on a very capable laptop that blows through all of my other design programs - AutoCAD, Sketchup, Revit, etc. It can even do heavy Raytracing without effecting my work in Chief or any other applications running simultaneously. Interestingly enough the Undo command doesn't get worse while Raytracing - its just always horrible, I really want to add this program to my tool box. If anyone has any help on this or news of CA attempts to fix this issue I would greatly appreciate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Have you called tech support? Undo was very much improved with either X8 or 9 (can't remember) Just tested mine again- most objects are almost instantaneous, roof planes are a bit hitting 2.5 seconds on my machine. I have maximum undos set to 100, that used to be a bottleneck and had to be kept lower. Maybe another setting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I'm also not having any problems with the undo tool, Chief has greatly improved it over the last few versions. I think it's something else going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidJPotter Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I have been using, teaching, tutoring and developing this software since the mid-nineties. Your description and my experience DO NOT MATCH. This has never been an issue for any version for me. If you have a negative opinion and outlook towards Chief, there is little I can do or say to change what you have already decided is true. That is all I have to say, you do what seems best for you. DJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I agree that the Undo command needs work. Several people have posted suggestions in the Suggestion forum - you could also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, rlackore said: I agree that the Undo command needs work. Several people have posted suggestions in the Suggestion forum - you could also. It could use some enhancements but works good at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I have ALWAYS had issue with undo taking a very long time, especially when the plans get large. I have an associate with 2 M.2 drives run in RAID 0 and undos are very quick. Very slow on my system and very quick on his. Just sayin'. They supposedly made it quicker for (perhaps) X9? but I could tell no difference in length of undos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdgdesign Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 35 minutes ago, DavidJPotter said: I have been using, teaching, tutoring and developing this software since the mid-nineties. Your description and my experience DO NOT MATCH. This has never been an issue for any version for me. If you have a negative opinion and outlook towards Chief, there is little I can do or say to change what you have already decided is true. That is all I have to say, you do what seems best for you. DJP David - I said quite clearly in my OP that I really like Chief, minus this issue. But this is a big issue It reminds me of the days of hand sketch without a good eraser. Not good. I have seen many posts about this being a problem, so I know its not just me. Maybe we all have a setting incorrect somewhere? instead of giving me attitude maybe try and add to the conversation in the hopes of resolving the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I recently got a 500GB Samsung M2 for my main OS Drive and undo is Quicker but I would like to see a Drop down list , like in a web browser to go back , so you can skip 10-20 undos if you want to as I currently have it set to 50. One thing that Helps for me, as my Documents Folder is located on my HD (D:) not the M2 , is to make the Chief Undo and Temp Folders , via the Preferences>Folders Option to reside on C:\ ( the .M2) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Good to know for future reference Mick - thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdgdesign Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 Kbird - a drop down menu would be great! Or even just a simple dialog box somewhere telling you what command it is currently undoing when you hit Ctrl-Z. As it stands now its a crap shoot - sometimes I over undo which is really irritating. I have all of my folders on my hard drive as I thought that might be the issue. I have plenty of space on the drive as well. Ill try calling tech support and report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: Good to know for future reference Mick - thanks. I wouldn't buy an M2 just for this ....there is a difference but I was already on a EVO 850 SSD , ( M2 is theoretically 4x faster than a SSD ), if the OS is on a HD still then yes it would help I think. I wanted more space , so spent the extra on a M2... Mick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tdgdesign said: Kbird - a drop down menu would be great! Or even just a simple dialog box somewhere telling you what command it is currently undoing when you hit Ctrl-Z. As it stands now its a crap shoot - sometimes I over undo which is really irritating. I have all of my folders on my hard drive as I thought that might be the issue. I have plenty of space on the drive as well. Ill try calling tech support and report back. Having the Plan and other Files on the HD is fine , a Hardrive is fast enough for that , having the Temp and Undo Folders on an SSD helped me with Undo Speed, been doing that for a few years... see above. You haven't filed in your Signature ( see mine for how) so I don't know your Specs. Mick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: I wouldn't buy an M2 just for this ....there is a difference but I was already on a EVO 850 SSD , ( M2 is theoretically 4x faster than a SSD ), if the OS is on a HD still then yes it would help I think. I wanted more space , so spent the extra on a M2... Mick. I already have an EVO SSD for all my files and undo is a general problem for me, mostly with large files. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, Tdgdesign said: ...sometimes I over undo which is really irritating. That happens to me as well as I never know if the last undo has 'taken' or if I'm still waiting for it. Frustrating... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdgdesign Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 Yeah sometimes the cursor indicates your Undoing, other times it doesn't. Redoing takes just as long so it gets very frustrating. I don't understand how a program that has been around as long as Chief and is competing in a such a competitive space still has such a major structural flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I have maximum undos set to 100 what is the point of that many undo's ? I see 3-5 max being useful - beyond that huh ? Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 32 minutes ago, Tdgdesign said: ...I don't understand how a program that has been around as long as Chief and is competing in a such a competitive space still has such a major structural flaw. Beyond me as well but not everyone seems to have a problem judging by the comments above. For me? Major issue that I have just learned to live with, among quite a few 'major structural flaws'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Have never hit 100 but have easily used a couple of dozen if I've been down a rabbit hole, usually making symbols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, MarkMc said: Have never hit 100 but have easily used a couple of dozen if I've been down a rabbit hole, usually making symbols. Yeah I've been pretty deep down that rabbit hole myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdgdesign Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, HumbleChief said: Beyond me as well but not everyone seems to have a problem judging by the comments above. For me? Major issue that I have just learned to live with, among quite a few 'major structural flaws'. Any tips on how to live with it? Now Im just doing a ton of "save-as" but it gets really cumbersome after awhile. By the way - is that you surfing in your profile pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, Tdgdesign said: Any tips on how to live with it? Now Im just doing a ton of "save-as" but it gets really cumbersome after awhile. By the way - is that you surfing in your profile pic? I 'live with it' by just waiting for each 'undo'. Yeah that's me surfing in El Salvador a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdgdesign Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 Yeah I talked to tech support and its basically "in 3d camera mode you're gonna be slow but in plan view you should be fine" - which is essentially the case for me. Gets slower and slower as my model gets more complicated. They did say that the undo functionality continues to be on the radar. Think we need to just keep hounding them with suggestions, Nice on the surfing! I surfed in Guatemala and El Salvador a few years back to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdgdesign Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 6 hours ago, Kbird1 said: Having the Plan and other Files on the HD is fine , a Hardrive is fast enough for that , having the Temp and Undo Folders on an SSD helped me with Undo Speed, been doing that for a few years... see above. You haven't filed in your Signature ( see mine for how) so I don't know your Specs. Mick. Hi Mick 6 hours ago, Kbird1 said: Hi Mick Here is my system info( I think) : Intel i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.8gHZ, 2.81 gHZ 12 GB Ram 1GB Hard drive GEForce GTX 1070 8 core graphics card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I am guessing that is a 1TB ( terabyte) Hard drive , not 1GB , in your Computer , ( laptop? or desktop?) which is partly why Undo is slow as it operating off , what is probably a slower 5400RPM Hard drive instead of an SSD or M2 Drive. You can copy and paste you Specs into you signature along with the CA Ver.No so that people answering questions in the future have that ino and you don't need to retype it. see mine for the quick how to, to do yours.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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