MarkMc

I'm with you Dennis- back at machine. I see that shelves can't be set on corners. Setting them before changing to corner cabinet has no effect on the shelf depth of the final corner cabinet. Tested several flat panels (framed doors from drop down, custom doors with 1/8, 1/4. 3/8 thick panels) all the same result- I have not been able to get shelves to show through corner cabinet door in overlay. (guessing here but you are using overlay correct?) Not sure what the difference is with what you have and what I did so I got nuttin for ya, sorry. (post the plan?) I stand corrected- just managed to get them to show using perspective floor overview. From pretty high so not something I often do. Would be nice for those of you who do need that kind of view that shelves could simply be turned off in the ALDO. I doubt most building folks are going to muck with changing shelf defaults. I CAN get them to show through (in really extreme POV) using inset cabinets. I'd guess there are camera placements that may be worse than others. The shelf thing has been reported in the past- response was something about Z fighting and the gist was nothing was likely to happen. That being the case I changed my defaults. Guess the reason I haven't run into this lately is all of my base corners don't have shelves since I always place a susan, and I rarely use diagonal wall corner cabinets. More of a problem for me (and why I'm guessing you are using overlay since you don't mention it) is how a pie cut corner cabinet shows if using Inset. Chief adds two extra stiles to the center-nothing like reality-top is Chiefs, bottom is work around.

I set the default shelf depth for all my templates back,(and all in user library) which helps make less work to fix. Haven't run into the corner cabinet thing, will check into it. When at machine. Did you try changing to custom front? Think in x8 the shelves are grayed out if it remains default front?

Did you just drag them in? If you drag in 3D files they come in as 2D blocks AFAIK. There are quite a few cad blocks in your plan (go to CAD block management) If you want them as 3D -import as symbol.

Zip the file should work to upload. Are those already in your plan? just guessing here but there are quite a few CAD blocks in it-all are 2D.

Weird, send it in when above water.

Doesn't browsing to the new file "reload" it?

Glenn, that was meant to be at the end of my comment, couldn't actress edit function from phone so added that. No reference to your post.

In that same layer set

Of course. Perhaps I misunderstood.... but turn a layer off in a layer set and it is off until you turn it on. Changing annosets won't turn it on.

Not exactly- Annoset A is Uses layerset A- turn off layer Q off while layerset A is active and it will remain off in Layerset A- regardless of the annotation set you use. You have altered layerset A. Where it starts to work is that while Annoset A uses layerset A which shows Layer Q- Annoset B Uses layerset B, which does not show layer Q But that alone isn't the answer you are looking for.... Why annosets will do what you need is that they allow you to have various dimension defaults, and each default can use it's own layer to govenr the view of those dimensions. i.e Plot plan uses -plot plan layerset AND uses "Plot plan dimension" defaults which place dimension on Dimensions Plot plan when working or sending to layout. Switch to Electric annoset- uses electric layerset (which does NOT show plot plan dimensions), uses "electric dimension" defualts which creates dimension on the Dimension Electric layer (which does not show up in Plot plan layerset) They do more than that but it's a start.

The OOB annosets already are set for Framing, Plot, electric and HVAC dimensions on their own layers with their own layerset. Just use the annoset to switch layers instead of the layer control-it's an easy start.

Michael- these most often are open at the back of the fridge space- front matches back gets you that.

Oh then there is the issue of getting the little puppies in. The attached is for a Sub 48 Pro in a NYC apartment. I had told the client well ahead that he needed to talk with the appliance people, that it was likely they would have to remove the compressor to get the fridge into the apartment. Someplace along the way some bozo decided to make the installers life easier and made this as a single cabinet- because they could. Alas the molding on the outside of the doors in the hallway line up and make it just a smidge impossible to get the thing to the doorway. So the bozo will be cutting it in half this Thursday and replacing the top panel after it's reassembled- coulda had a V8.

In X8 you can get the back correct for a complete cabinet- I use them for inset jobs depending on maker, installer, and client. First set back to match front, then switch to custom and change the doors. Just wish I could extend the sides without increasing the depth- for that I use fillers. I make panels from cabinets most often since partitions don't go into the cabinet schedule unless you block them-and then they are prone to having the dimensions read backwards depending on floor orientation. Greg- not sure why you say a 3/4 panel can't be attached to the cabinet ?- been doing/having it done for years, in particular on frameless. The one thing I have run into though is some fridges- in particular Korean ones- nowadays bulge out partway along the side so a nominal 36" fridge that was supposed to be 35-3/4 or so measures at 36 1/4, had one almost 36 3/8 at the girth. You can manage to get that in if you have a face frame (with a shoe horn) but not with a flush side panel.

Hey and this is odd- tested "transform replicate-move" in elevation- get point marker in elevation- go to plan and the dimension changes as I'd expect with no markers. Backwards from the delete behavior. At least it is instant feedback. . As to just deleting the points, my biggest concern is missing some in one view or another somewhere and getting an order wrong. I'll fiddle with it, have a couple of big ones (9-10 rooms of cabinets, baths, multiple elevations, details, electric and lighting plans) that I really don't want to redo all the dimensions (then again for those I REALLY don't want a mis-order) Suppose I can delete by room instead of all. This is up there with 2020's magic disappearing user dimensions- the feature? coupled with disappearing notes got me to switch.

It only happens with deleting and pasting. When resizing via drag or dbx there are no markers inserted.

The only thing I can think of is I only use manual dimensions ? End to end or just manual-have annoset/layersets that allow me to dimension wall cabinets, base, room/walls etc. Does not appear to happen with auto dimensions. Then too, I barely noticed this in X7- think occasionally. Could be how late in the game we were getting heavy revisions so it became more apparent- or maybe I only got an assistant in the last year so swapping plans brought it up. Maybe I just automatically dealt with it not thinking. Dunno.

Thanks for checking, guess Ill send it in and see if anything happens.

It's a catch 22 Michael- delete cabinet in elevation (or change it in some cases) and the points are placed on the floor plan instead.This one has gone through so many changes I just didn't currently have that one wall dimensioned in plan at the moment. Try it on the island. I'll make a layer set to try your method for deleting the points but the way I place dimensions it may be just as easy and safer to simply dump them- will depend on the plan. Thankfully I noticed this before any real order problems developed but first ran into it when getting plans back from my assistant. We both have to be on top of this so I'm aiming for safety. This is new(ish) yes? just checked and it is the same in X7 -guess I'm noticing it more in X8 due to number of revisions the latest batch of problem children ask for. Was it in X6? I don't have that loaded.

I've been getting points added when I have manual (either just manual or end to end-I never use pt to pt) dimensions and edit cabinets. Example shows elevation with no temporary points, second shows same elevation AFTER the cabinets were edited in plan view. These cabinets were edited in Plan -deleting what was there and then pasting in the drawer bases. The annoying part is that these are not removed by "delete temporary points" Not so bad in the example below where the difference is easy to see. Gets to be a problem when the difference is small so it is easy to miss. I believe I first noticed this in X7 but has become persistent in X8?? I can't find a setting to prevent it and can't get delete points to do anything to these automatically added points. So I've resorted to deleting all dimensions once things are settled and redoing them, which kinda stinks. It really stinks when I'm doing a full house with multiple rooms of cabinets...still less trouble than getting the wrong thing delivered. Stripped down a plan and added it here.

We also always have a few versions, and I'm guessing yours are interiors? Like Michael I use save as. We place all cameras as early in the process as possible, before things get crowded. Perspective cameras are moved to a separate layer that we can hide while working to keep things tidy. The first "save as" is kept as is, relatively bare, just in case. If a camera must be moved then Graham/CJ's method is used. Also use "copy and paste in place " between plans a lot.

Never said to toggle off completely.

Michael, you can have bumping pushing on for mouse movement so it controls but off for typing, it's in preferences

Also point to point move or transform replicate will work May not if your preferences are set to bumping and pushing while, mine aren't.

Seams to remember last used?