MarkMc

In X8 you can get the back correct for a complete cabinet- I use them for inset jobs depending on maker, installer, and client. First set back to match front, then switch to custom and change the doors. Just wish I could extend the sides without increasing the depth- for that I use fillers. I make panels from cabinets most often since partitions don't go into the cabinet schedule unless you block them-and then they are prone to having the dimensions read backwards depending on floor orientation. Greg- not sure why you say a 3/4 panel can't be attached to the cabinet ?- been doing/having it done for years, in particular on frameless. The one thing I have run into though is some fridges- in particular Korean ones- nowadays bulge out partway along the side so a nominal 36" fridge that was supposed to be 35-3/4 or so measures at 36 1/4, had one almost 36 3/8 at the girth. You can manage to get that in if you have a face frame (with a shoe horn) but not with a flush side panel.

Hey and this is odd- tested "transform replicate-move" in elevation- get point marker in elevation- go to plan and the dimension changes as I'd expect with no markers. Backwards from the delete behavior. At least it is instant feedback. . As to just deleting the points, my biggest concern is missing some in one view or another somewhere and getting an order wrong. I'll fiddle with it, have a couple of big ones (9-10 rooms of cabinets, baths, multiple elevations, details, electric and lighting plans) that I really don't want to redo all the dimensions (then again for those I REALLY don't want a mis-order) Suppose I can delete by room instead of all. This is up there with 2020's magic disappearing user dimensions- the feature? coupled with disappearing notes got me to switch.

It only happens with deleting and pasting. When resizing via drag or dbx there are no markers inserted.

The only thing I can think of is I only use manual dimensions ? End to end or just manual-have annoset/layersets that allow me to dimension wall cabinets, base, room/walls etc. Does not appear to happen with auto dimensions. Then too, I barely noticed this in X7- think occasionally. Could be how late in the game we were getting heavy revisions so it became more apparent- or maybe I only got an assistant in the last year so swapping plans brought it up. Maybe I just automatically dealt with it not thinking. Dunno.

Thanks for checking, guess Ill send it in and see if anything happens.

It's a catch 22 Michael- delete cabinet in elevation (or change it in some cases) and the points are placed on the floor plan instead.This one has gone through so many changes I just didn't currently have that one wall dimensioned in plan at the moment. Try it on the island. I'll make a layer set to try your method for deleting the points but the way I place dimensions it may be just as easy and safer to simply dump them- will depend on the plan. Thankfully I noticed this before any real order problems developed but first ran into it when getting plans back from my assistant. We both have to be on top of this so I'm aiming for safety. This is new(ish) yes? just checked and it is the same in X7 -guess I'm noticing it more in X8 due to number of revisions the latest batch of problem children ask for. Was it in X6? I don't have that loaded.

I've been getting points added when I have manual (either just manual or end to end-I never use pt to pt) dimensions and edit cabinets. Example shows elevation with no temporary points, second shows same elevation AFTER the cabinets were edited in plan view. These cabinets were edited in Plan -deleting what was there and then pasting in the drawer bases. The annoying part is that these are not removed by "delete temporary points" Not so bad in the example below where the difference is easy to see. Gets to be a problem when the difference is small so it is easy to miss. I believe I first noticed this in X7 but has become persistent in X8?? I can't find a setting to prevent it and can't get delete points to do anything to these automatically added points. So I've resorted to deleting all dimensions once things are settled and redoing them, which kinda stinks. It really stinks when I'm doing a full house with multiple rooms of cabinets...still less trouble than getting the wrong thing delivered. Stripped down a plan and added it here.

We also always have a few versions, and I'm guessing yours are interiors? Like Michael I use save as. We place all cameras as early in the process as possible, before things get crowded. Perspective cameras are moved to a separate layer that we can hide while working to keep things tidy. The first "save as" is kept as is, relatively bare, just in case. If a camera must be moved then Graham/CJ's method is used. Also use "copy and paste in place " between plans a lot.

Never said to toggle off completely.

Michael, you can have bumping pushing on for mouse movement so it controls but off for typing, it's in preferences

Also point to point move or transform replicate will work May not if your preferences are set to bumping and pushing while, mine aren't.

Seams to remember last used?

I'm not at the office but when back will post some of what I've done. The one thing that I've found which seams the easiest approach has been to first select match front. After it matches I change to custom. Looks like you have this sussed but as promised. There were a lot more variation on this and a number of cad exchanged with factory once it was settled -one of those. Just dropped some I had into a plan The only one that requires a work around is the one closest to the camera- Where overlay side panels flush out to the door- pretty common in frameless (and you certainly can't do it that way The second one in line from left was an attempt to do that with traditional overlay but didn't work for some reason- really thought it would. Aside from that so far (since public beta) this has been all I could hope for.

Actually they talked me down from Premier to begin with-"you really don't need that" I just disagree with how it is named/marketed. I don't use terrain, rarely roofs, rarely framing (but handy occasionally)- other features are worth the cost : detail to view (for cabinet openings and as built plans) project browser and annosets for convenience and speed. Besides it's a one time cost-still cheaper than 2020 and much better- support is the same cost for Premier and Interiors I believe.

Pennville has a lot -except for raised panel ones I make them myself out of psolids and add to the library.

I started on Interiors and whined at CA about that and a few other things for a year or two. At that time I was exporting to CAD and importing. When I finally could afford it I bit the bullet and upgraded to Premier- should have done it sooner instead of running into a wall. I quickly recovered the the cost in productivity quickly as soon as I started using annosets.

I'm in Highland. Know two builders who use it, one kitchen dealer (but he may be on a home product?)-one builder is pretty good with it but has largely switched to SU, the other is soso. I'm ok with interior/cabinet, symbols, material, annosets and cabinet schedules- pretty dumb with roof, terrain and only do limited framing.

Dimension format carries with the plan. So you can use a template specific to either imperial or metric. Chief supplies templates for both. Set whatever format you prefer for your default plan template. OR use "file, template, new plan from template" and pick what you need. (I almost always create new plans this way) You can also create annotation sets that use one or the other. That would allow you to switch between the imperial and metric as you draw within the same plan. (annoset- "framing" with dim default 'framing imperial'; annoset "cabinet" with dim default "Cab_metric") Whichever was used to draw a dimension is what they will be until you change them. Changing existing dimensions from one system to the other- To change an entire plan have all dimension visible and unlocked, group select, open the DBX and change the primary format. To change one specific set of dimensions (this is particular good if you are using annotation sets) - -Change the primary format for any named dimension default (i.e Framing dimensions) You can access this in the overall default DBX or by way of the annoset panel. This is fast and easy but leaves you open to mucking up your annosets. (and you need to learn annosets which is a good idea) NOTE that changing one named dimension default (framing dims) in an annoset to a different named dimension default (framing dims M)for that set will NOT change already drawn dimensions since they will still be inheriting the properties from the original named default. Only changing the primary format of the original default (framing dims) to the other system will change already drawn dimensions. OR you can have both. In the dimension default DBX, secondary format, uncheck "use default format" check off "include secondary format" and make the secondary format whichever is not the defaults - that allows both metric and imperial to be shown at the same time. For instance I have an annoset I use that shows both formats in it's dimension default that I use when I am creating certain symbols where the dimensions I receive are metric but I need to know or show the imperial. There is no way to swap secondary for primary but you can always turn off the display of the secondary once drawn by opening the default again. There is no way to turn off the default format. Play with it to decide what works best for your needs.

You can download the beta and still use X7 BUT files are not backward compatible. If you want to give it a test ride: Don't allow windows to set it as the default program for plan and layout files. I immediately do a "save as" for anything opened in 8 and prefix the file with X to avoid confusion or total loss. There are only two of us so that has worked out well. First thing to do if you go that route is open help and scroll down to Whats New in...to see what to watch out for and what goodies are included. You could then see how the features you're interested in work (and report any issues). Actually everything we've done has been in X8 for some time now. Half hour ago I just set it to the default on my machine. but then I like risks YMMV ;-> I think it's the best update since I've been using the program (X3).

I set up some annosets so each will dimension locating different objects- pull a string for wall cabs, another for base, room, openings casing, framing...). Not automatic but a couple of clicks and get what I need with little to no delete needed.

can do it in X7- only difference is the back of the cabinet will look the same as the front-attached plan Raised panel double door -I think you have to make one. Hardware place loose. Here is one way- shelving is held back -one way to get hinging done from a cabinet company. Shows all the doors, turn off layers as needed.

Control of cabinet sides and backs is huge for me. Also love labels on plines which allows me to get things into the cabinet schedule by blocking. Grateful for the new missing material dialog. And not listed improvement -clipped corner cabinets show toe space properly.

You have it right Larry-Ctrl+S is save- nothing to do with archives. That's why I set it for hourly- I can hit save without thinking before doing a "save as" go on for a while only to discover I need to go back beyond the undo number.

That alone made my day. We've completely switched over, 8 projects. YMMV.

Get thee to the beta- done as a single cabinet- make the front as needed, no toe, delete bottom separation, lower section opening with no shelves. Make back match front- I then changed to a custom back and made the top door section blank area. Place and set one set of doors- assign to a new layer-doors closed. Copy doors and rotate to suit- place on new layer door open. For the shelves I increased the left stile and added a shallow cabinet using point to point to get it in there. NOTE I would make absolutely sure how the hinges were going to work if I wanted to do that. Some brands won't do it at all, others may do it in a way that is unsatisfactory- I haven't sorted it yet but personally don't see it. You need to have X8 beta to open the plan file