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Not necessarily the answer you're looking for but can be done in PDF. I use Bluebeam-they have a trial which last I knew was fully functional. Would get you through.

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Larry- you can eliminate the gap- set symbol Y origin to 13/16, cabinet front to traditional overlay with 0" overlaps. Have to use false drawer for drawers or the drawer box pokes through the front, and use a two door symbol as "door panel" for two door cabinets so hardware and swing indicators are manually placed.

There was a discussion a while back and a few solutions were found. Attached is zip with a couple of plans and libraries using two approaches I came up with. One is to make door symbols with the frame and use them as full overlay doors- the other is to make door symbols with just a bead and use those as traditional overlay doors. If I remember correctly someone also tried a door symbol with a bead that they used as an inset. (gives an extra space between the door) Should give you some ideas. Beaded Inset Trad.zip

Open spreadsheet- set the cell borders you want to show, select the cells you want, copy. In Chief click rich text icon, click on plan, when dbx opens just paste.

You can copy and paste cells as text, cell borders will show in rich text. In both cases all spreadsheet function is lost.

Just rediscovered this in my a few of my assistants plans (I forgot to tell him) Practically ALL of the appliance symbols in ALL the catalogs are set to the appliances actual dimension rather than the opening size. IOW the symbol for a 30 range is 29-7/8, some symbols are a full 1/4" narrow. Change either the object dimension or the bounding box width of appliances to match the correct opening size. Place in your user catalog and use from there.

I've recently begun to save a "temporary" template for jobs that require several initial versions. I find it makes managing multiple versions of a plan in a layout simpler, less prone to mistakes than using SAM with a layout open.

I mostly use templates but my needs are different since I'm working primarily interiors. So I use the templates for both varied room heights and for different cabinets defaults. Sometimes, when I have not bothered to set a template for something OR all the defaults I need are in an existing project I use SAM. Had a thought regarding interior cameras- was thinking it would be nice if we could have a view in layout and be able to relink it to a specific camera instead of just a plan. Click view in layout and link to a camera view in a plan? Might make layout for sheets with interior elevations easier.

Here is a door kit plan that can be used in HD products. I'm not sure which of these procedures work in the Suite version, hope enough so you can use them. IF it doesn't allow converting to a symbol then these won't do you much good since the only 3D export Suite offers is dxf which it won't import. In that case you'll be better off in Sketchup which a lot of folks use to create door symbols. I included: a couple of door kits not yet made into symbols, a few molding profiles, a couple of cameras I use to check (I think these only work in Pro version though) and adjust the molding placement (I think these only work in Pro version so getting the 3D molding line properly placed will be a challenge), and a couple of doors symbols so you can check the sizing tab to see how to set the stretch planes. Save it as a template. Open it, pick a door to work on, delete all the others, save as, change moldings and panel if need be, delete the wall and cameras, take a 3d view and convert to symbol.

Lou, is that something I'd do on this end? If so I'll figure it out and repost the plan

Not sure if you realize that the only items in the Kraftmaid catalog are Doors and drawers, Finishes, and wood species. FWIW none of the brands I use have catalogs in Chief. I set a default template to have the correct toe, top drawer hieght and overlay. I also make a folder in my user catalog where I add cabinets as I modify or build them for each mfg. I used to collect doors from whatever manufacturer catalog had something close but now I make them. I think you can do all of those things in HD? IF you can't make doors in HD you can in Sketchup and then import them. I don't know if HD opens chief files but if it does I've posted a couple of Plan files that are door kits. They can be used as a starting point to make door symbols or as a guide to one method of doing that.

Dennis- I oversee them all, they are not in house though. Like most things I do it for self preservation, on site 6-10 times, even do layout with them. Thing is I'm not there all the time. Gets so I have to add more and more information, simply amazes me what happens if it is not both drawn and written down. The pdf I posted is what we send for cabinets, for the contractor there is always at least another page often more. Even includes the obvious-install plumb and level, adjust all doors and drawers, all fillers or extended stiles to be scribed, dimensions listed for fillers are nominal VIF...it's gotten silly. Michael -I too have been looking for something "live" with no joy. I had a thought and just did a quick test. It's not live but provides a way to check the CAD against a live elevation. I set the undo preference temporarily really high (though help says up to 10 so not sure) Then: Went to an elevation and changed each door and drawer to opening (individually of course) I already had defaults set for no shelves and no countertops (otherwise the schedule shows 36" high cabinets-whatthe...) Did detail from view. Selected all of that and copied it. Then used undo until all the cabinets where back to where they should be. Created a new blank cad detail and "paste hold position" Changed all the lines to red-set at front of front group Added dimensions and set both-set that at front of front group (probably should change the color there too but those are on a seperate layer) All this is on a layer I use for such things so can be turned off. Copied the entire detail and went back to the elevation used "past hold position" I now have an overlay on a layer that can be turned on/off/locked to check against the live model before ordering. If it has to be altered slightly the model layers can be locked and lines moved. If it is way off at some point it becomes a complete redo Not the best solution for sure but only slightly more work than what I was already doing and I'm thinking it is safer...until we get a change to snaps and showing doors (X???) I'm going to make a few adjustments to annosets and try this out on a job or two to see if it's worth the hassle. A note- I mentioned that 2020 will snap to rails and stiles BUT it will not show the cabinets without doors. Nothing that I know of does that, (maybe CabinetVision?)

Pretty much. I'd like doors and drawers on one layer, shelves on another, accessories ...well Chief doesn't really do those so I'm already putting them on a layer of their own. I understand you are using local custom. I wanted to emphasize what is gotten to be available in semi-custom to show the need for this kind of thing. Looking through your drawings only a few things I couldn't get SWP to do- P-42 Details 5 and 6 -112-3/4" is larger than they will do a combined and they wouldn't do a 45" opening (pocket hole construction so I wouldn't ask for it anyway), the stainless shelves we'd aftermarket and the false bottom would be field done. But if I went up a line to a brand that I consider upper semi (or sorta almost custom) they would do all that. In recent years several semi custom companies (Shiloh, Showplace, Brookhaven, Elmwood, Holiday, Ultracraft, Bertch, Cabico, Jay Rambo, Wellborn...) have or added enormous capability. Many of the upper semi-almost custom and some full custom brands (Dura Supreme, Crystal, even Rutt) have added lower priced lines to get back market share. Since they already had the capabilities for modifications those are often included and trickle down into the lower priced line with consumer pressure. Most of the KD's I know are not very technically inclined ("CAD? what? kill a chicken, whirl around in a circle, then set it on fire just to get a drawing for an order...where's my pencil) Chief looking to snag market share in the kitchen cabinet world this will be increasingly needed. As it stands now it would give them an edge, especially with the better brands and full custom-local or otherwise. A number of the upper end custom cabinet brands (QCCI, Signature to name two) have completely stopped offering catalogs for 2020. Most brands at that level require full set of plans, elevations and details to process an order. In another thread someone said "Chief isn't cabinet design software"- I disagree. Unless you are building them yourself and need cut sheets it is the best thing out there, it is so close to being THE solution- just a few tweaks. The pervasive move to online ordering can only help it (so long as they grab share before online systems incorporate non 2020 design software as one brand I work with is attempting)

Dennis, PNG is a page from a set in Showplace Wood Products- call themselves a semi-custom brand. Red text added to drawings that would be require. We always send them a set of drawings (pdf attached), that is not required but is encouraged just to help keep things clear. I know you can't do this with some of the conglomerate semi-custom brands...yet. There are quite a few brands in that price range like SWP though.

I do exactly what you do, on the majority of jobs. (At least that is what I do since I upgraded from Interiors- back then I was exporting to CAD to do the dimensions) Even my basic semi-custom brands will relocate rails or stiles; do appliance cutouts; and offer combined cabinets. Drawings are required by them at order submission for those things. I've never worked with a brand that does appliance cutouts who did not require a drawing for that. Now all still require calling out dimensions and all say that the written order overrides any drawings (cool huh?) The issue for me is keeping it "live" to avoid ordering errors. I'd asked for the ability to snap to frame members in the past and would gladly support it. I know it is possible at some level, 2020 will do it but it is harder to adjust the openings- one of the reasons I use Chief.

I saw someone asking for Hafele items. While I use lots of RAS and Hafele items in designs I rarely place them in the plan since. Now if I could get them into the schedule under the correct cabinets that is another story. I got these by placing freestanding in 2020 and export to CAD. I didn't bother to mess with the materials on them. Library has Hafele Lemans closed and the same open, along with a Rev-A-Shelf chrome tray divider set at 5 1/2" off the floor. Placing them requires ctrl key override. To show the lemans change cabinet door to opening and place a loose door. You still have to get hold of the specs to check clearances and fit these are NOT automatic.

Welcome Richard. I'm not an architect but do have some similar PM issues. I use a program called Intellect another version is Time and Chaos (love the name) T & C is the same but without email. I find the integration of email very useful. ( I wish it would integrate texts). Can be very simple to use, great at linking between contacts, email (automatic), appts and tasks (optional), other contatcts, and an overall project. For accessing or sharing between multiple users in the same office I've never found anything easier I've gone through spurts between using all of the features and only some. It can be very powerful even in the simplest forms. With any of the software that does PM I've found that using full features can get to take more time than it saves but YMMV. They have a trial version of each and a free version of an older T & C. I also subscribe to their hosting service so I can sync to my phone. (contacts, calendar, and tasks only) Worth a look at http://www.chaossoftware.com/

Bluebeam PDF Revu will export to tif, you can get a trial version from them. Like Larry I've not run into this every print/copy shop around here can work from PDF. Might try Staples, UPS, ...

Thanks David that's what I ended up with.

Is there a setting or just not available? When I try I get almost everything that's not nailed down.

Assembled this for an acquaintance (and myself Zip file has: library with one door symbol as pictured, a plan file that is a kit. The kit can be used to change rail and stile width,framing beads and the profiles of the mullions. Also possible to delete the mullions and just create a door symbol. The door shown in the kit plan is made of: 2 rails, 2 stiles (so the grain is correct), a psolid for the panel, 3d molding line for framing bead, and two separate 3d molding lines for the mullions. I included the profiles so you can see the correct orientation if you want to change them. When I have to adjust depths for any of these I open a back clipped section through the door, a front elevation, and a 3d view or two. Then use transform replicate to shift positions. Tedious but get what I want. 4 pane mullion kit.zip

I know we are a little different than most of you but slammed-doubled last year already. Wasn't in such good shape in January, but ever since I've been saying I'll be caught up next week for months, doesn't happen. I can't say we are anything of an indicator. My work depends on contractors, ID's, and architects; very few walk ins. Just happens that my contacts are in a cycle now. No doubt about it-next week will level out. then hope to find a way to maintain.

It's in the reference manual but takes a little looking-won't find it under plines, it's in editing objects/rotating. I don't quite get why there is so much more in the RM than help since I like F1 too.