Mark_Peterson Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Here in the SF Bay Area doors are called out differently than in other areas of the country. Here, if you are on the hinge side of a door and the hinges are on the left, it is a left hand door. In Chief and in apparently other areas of the country it is the opposite. My question is, can that reference be changed so it can be reflected in the door schedule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Mark, The only way to do that would be to edit the Code or Comments Field in the Components dbx. Essentially just adding a note that would be totally manual for each door. I know that SF is weird but I'm shocked to hear that doors also swing the wrong way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electromen Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Here's how I was taught in school. Looking at the plan view, if the door opens clockwise, it's a right hand door counterclockwise = left hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Here's how I was taught. Standing in the opening with your back to the hinges which way does the door open...if it opens to the left it's a LH. If it opens to the right...you guessed it...RH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I dont get it - why not then just edit the label and use that column to describe the door? Maybe I am missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 All you have to do is: 1. Customize the label per door. 2. Delete the schedule category "size" 3. Change the schedule title of label to "size". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 In my experience, its just as much supplier as it is region, so I refuse to discuss or describe doors other than graphically. I'd draw a little picture of the door that illustrates your handing scheme. If you accept the CA default (which conforms to the this Bay Area carpenter was trained BTW) then life will be simple. I was trained, both in the JAT in Ohio as well as in the field in the Bay Area to discuss doors "butt to butt", which sort of dates me lol, butt hinges and 7-11 hinging, sort of a thing of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Here's how I was taught. Standing in the opening with your back to the hinges which way does the door open...if it opens to the left it's a LH. If it opens to the right...you guessed it...RH. Michael That is how I was taught and I guess gives rise to the term butt hinges. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I think Johnny is right. The best method at this stage is to just modify one of the columns in the schedule one way or another and either add the swing direction to the label or use one of the columns in the components dbx for the swing direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 x3 Same way we identify the door swings. I'm surprised CA don't have that option to specify RH or LH door swing. I see kitchen cabinets have %door_swing% option but when you select that macro nothing shows up. I wonder if this a bug or what. You have the option to select but nothing happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Yep...no macro for door swing. That does seem odd. Here's a list of all that seems to be available for doors... arch_height...................................... 0.0 arch_is_reflected_vertically................... false arch_type_name...................................... arched_shutters................................ false automatic_label................................. 3068 bottom_elevation................................. 0.0 component_code...................................... door_frame_bottom_width.......................... 8.0 door_frame_width................................. 4.0 elevation_reference....................... from_floor exterior_casing_width............................ 3.5 exterior_casing_width_is_default................ true exterior_lintel_extension........................ 0.0 exterior_lintel_width........................... 3.25 exterior_lintel_width_is_default................ true exterior_reveal................................. 0.25 exterior_reveal_is_default...................... true fit_jamb_to_wall................................ true handle_distance_from_bottom..................... 36.0 handle_distance_from_bottom_is_default.......... true handle_distance_from_edge........................ 2.0 handle_distance_from_edge_is_default............ true has_exterior_casing............................. true has_exterior_lintel............................ false has_interior_casing............................. true has_interior_lintel............................ false has_jamb........................................ true has_label....................................... true header_count....................................... 2 header_count_is_default......................... true header_depth..................................... 5.5 header_depth_calc_from_width.................... true header_depth_is_default......................... true header_elevation............................... 81.25 header_thickness................................. 1.5 header_thickness_is_default..................... true header_type................................... Lumber header_type_is_default.......................... true height.......................................... 80.0 hinge_distance_from_bottom....................... 7.0 hinge_distance_from_bottom_is_default........... true include_header.................................. true include_header_is_default....................... true interior_casing_width........................... 3.25 interior_casing_width_is_default................ true interior_lintel_extension........................ 0.0 interior_lintel_width........................... 3.25 interior_lintel_width_is_default................ true interior_reveal................................. 0.25 interior_reveal_is_default...................... true is_double_door................................. false is_drawn_closed_in_3d........................... true is_mulled_unit................................. false is_on_exterior_wall............................. true is_recessed..................................... true is_recessed_to_sheathing_layer.................. true is_tempered.................................... false jamb_depth.................................... 4.4375 jamb_depth_is_default........................... true jamb_inset................................... -0.4375 jamb_inset_is_default........................... true jamb_side_width................................. 0.75 jamb_side_width_is_default...................... true layer.......................................... doors lites_type_name............................... Normal lock_distance_from_bottom....................... 40.0 lock_distance_from_bottom_is_default............ true louver_size...................................... 1.0 mulled_unit_cuts_one_hole...................... false mulled_unit_has_single_label................... false muntin_width................................... 0.875 muntin_width_is_default......................... true num_garage_door_panels............................. 0 num_lite_rays...................................... 0 num_lites_horizontal............................... 0 num_lites_vertical................................. 0 reversed_shutters.............................. false rough_opening_bottom............................ 1.75 rough_opening_bottom_is_default................. true rough_opening_side............................... 1.0 rough_opening_side_garage_curb_add............... 0.0 rough_opening_side_garage_curb_add_is_default... true rough_opening_side_is_default................... true rough_opening_top............................... 1.25 rough_opening_top_is_default.................... true schedule_number..................................... shgc............................................. 0.3 shgc_is_default................................. true shutter_bottom_offset............................ 0.0 shutter_height.................................. 80.0 shutter_position.................................... shutter_side_offset.............................. 1.0 shutter_sides....................................... shutter_style....................................... shutter_width................................... 18.0 shutters_match_height........................... true shutters_match_width............................ true sill_framing_count................................. 1 sill_framing_count_is_default................... true sill_framing_depth............................... 1.5 sill_framing_depth_is_default................... true style_name................................... Library tempered_name....................................... thickness....................................... 1.75 top_elevation................................... 80.0 trimmer_count...................................... 1 trimmer_count_is_default........................ true type_name..................................... Hinged u_factor......................................... 0.3 u_factor_is_default............................. true width........................................... 36.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 This is way too simplistic. The butt-to-butt idea works okay on most interior doors, but falls apart when you're dealing with mortised locksets (usually at exterior doors) or other non-reversible hardware. Calling a door a "left hand door" when it's really a "right hand reverse" door could get you the wrong hardware. The CORRECT way to determine the hand of a door is to stand outside of the door - on the exterior side, the hall side, or the main room to subsidiary room (like bedroom going into bathroom)-- and see which side the hinges are on. If on the right, and the door swings away from you as you are entering, it is a right hand door. If it swings toward you, it is right hand reverse, not left hand. This is probably "old school" with cheapo locksets that are reversible now, but I don't see how this could be a regional thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Mike where did you get that list from. I don't believe I came across anything like that. I was looking at the Ruby at available macros for the cabinets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Just drop the object properties macro into a text box with an arrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Thanks Mike! always seen that there but never tried to see what it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I have a version that can be used in Text Macro Management for any currently selected object. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARMELHILL Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I have a version that can be used in Text Macro Management for any currently selected object. Is it included in the X9 version in your signature? I was trying to figure that one out today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Is it included in the X9 version in your signature? I was trying to figure that one out today. No, I just wrote my own version of the "object_properties" macro so it would work the way it should. It's a very valuable tool to help create much more comprehensive user macros than CA has provided. It's unfortunate that a lot of the attributes CA provides are basically worthless while other data which could be isn't available. If they would open up the data access it would be possible to automate virtually all the annotation of ConDocs. Then if they would take their Ruby implementation a couple of steps further we could write macros to modify the properties of existing model objects and maybe even construct at the very least 2D CAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 No, I just wrote my own version of the "object_properties" macro so it would work the way it should. It's a very valuable tool to help create much more comprehensive user macros than CA has provided. It's unfortunate that a lot of the attributes CA provides are basically worthless while other data which could be isn't available. If they would open up the data access it would be possible to automate virtually all the annotation of ConDocs. Then if they would take their Ruby implementation a couple of steps further we could write macros to modify the properties of existing model objects and maybe even construct at the very least 2D CAD. I have to say Joe, you have been very dodgy with questions regarding the X9 in your signature. If you told us would you have to kill us...errrr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I think Joe is onto something good here Just let us know how much Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I think the point of this thread is to be able to describe how a door swings. In this post there have been some professionals who have described how a door swing should be described. I am not sure if the professionals agree on the proper nomenclature. I am still confused as to how a door swings. If I did understand, I wonder if anybody else would understand it how I understand it. The point is, it seems like whoever is ordering the door should look at the plans and take responsibility for the direction of door swing. This is one of the reasons I give a unique door label to each door. I let the door orderers figure out what door to order by referring to the plans. IOW, I believe in the the Alan Lehman Method, a picture is worth a thousand words. My 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I agree, and i was disappointed that the new graphic object in the door schedule doesn't offer a plan view of the door swing. Wouldn't it be great to generate a schedule that door orderers could use? And that door buyers could also use, to back check the accuracy of the door order? I don't care if the door guy has to absorb the cost of reordering a door - my crew are still shut down, my client is still perturbed and my progress draw is still delayed.... A picture is absolutely worth a thousand words.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Scott, you're right that is how it should work when professionals are on the job. LOL and the door swing on the plan should be a suggestion only because doors always move if changes in the field take place, the swing has to change if electrician put his switch on the other side for whatever reason because it couldn't go where it should, etc....and you get an idiot who does the door and trim take-off from the plan will order the door with the wrong swing, some even being in the field don't know the difference between LH and RH swing, not to mention another moron will install it. You be surprised how many home or townhouse models I go through, just to see things, get some ideas, etc and you would have switches hidden behind the doors, especially in the basements and bathrooms, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javatom Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 CA does it right. It's pretty simple and universal for several decades now. I would be a little cautious of changing the schedule to accommodate a builder that doesn't know the nomenclature. I would be really surprised if the entire bay area has it backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 CA does it right. It's pretty simple and universal for several decades now. I would be a little cautious of changing the schedule to accommodate a builder that doesn't know the nomenclature. I would be really surprised if the entire bay area has it backwards. I agree. I think the nomenclature is pretty universal. If somebody somewhere decided to veer from the industry standard I think the last thing we should be doing is encouraging that to continue and spread elsewhere. We have enough communication problems as it is without changing definitions. If you need to change the definition for your area, so be it, but to make it too easy I think could have some pretty negative consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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