4hotshoez Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Some time ago I posted a similar problem and I reviewed the answer again, but I need some clarification. The molding creates a base molding in a room very nicely until there is a wall (like around the fireplace) where I do not want a base molding like the rest of the room. 1. I was told that when drawing a polyline for molding that once converted to a molding it will not be placed in front of doors or windows if the line crosses in front of the opening. But that does not seem to be true unless I am doing something wrong. 2. I was told that I could select sections (or walls) at a time and remove molding from that wall or section. I am not sure of the steps I might be missing to make this work. 3. Then I removed the base molding from the room and drew a polyline only where I wanted the base molding, because using the room polyline created a strange profile that did not follow the inside face of the room. Then I had the problem in 1. Any help in explaining how to do this? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Todd, Select the Room and use the "Create Room Molding Polyline" Tool. Set that as a "Base" molding. The door openings will not have a molding. If the shape isn't what you want then it's probably because you have some invisible walls that define rooms. The molding should always follow the inside perimeter of the room. Polylines can be broken wherever you don't want a molding and then by selecting that segment you can specify "no moldinge on this segment". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Here is what the room polygon looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Joe, I think I should share the plan because I have another problem with the walls that I cannot solve, which we can get to later. https://www.dropbox.com/s/aqec8i157q6mx7s/Pintemp02.plan?dl=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJSpud Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Todd: Do as Joe said ... in front of your fireplace put a couple of line breaks, then select that segment and designate it as having no molding. You can move those break locations around by dragging if you don't get them precisely where you want them the 1st time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Here is what the room polygon looks like. Well, that looks pretty weird. Here is a vid on 3d molding polylines. Not a great vid. Nothing new. Don't waste your time unless you do not understand this stuff. http://youtu.be/jG5Waten_PY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 That polyline you are showing looks nothing like the one I get if I use the "make room molding polyline" tool using your plan. How did you make it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Did you convert the p-line to a molding p-line. It also shows some of the lines inside the wall and not on the face of the drywall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 This is what I click and I do not get what you get ArthurDent. When I click OK, I get what I posted at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 the height needs to be higher than 0" for it to be blank at the windows, so it crosses them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Well, that looks pretty weird. Here is a vid on 3d molding polylines. Not a great vid. Nothing new. Don't waste your time unless you do not understand this stuff. http://youtu.be/jG5Waten_PY It was very helpful, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 the height needs to be higher than 0" for it to be blank at the windows, so it crosses them. I have not tried it yet, but will it break it if I adjust the height after it has been created and the molding moves up into a window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I have not tried it yet, but will it break it if I adjust the height after it has been created and the molding moves up into a window? No, no no, you must be correct with the height first, the breaks will not happen if you move the molding later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 I still am having a problem with the super-complex auto-generated pline. ArthurDent has the same file with no problems. Could I have some goofy settings that are affecting my Room molding pline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I think you may have found a bug. If you actually have a base molding on your room and use the make room molding polyline at a height of 0, it will generate how my picture shows. If you don't have a molding, and use height 0, it looks like it leaks under some of the walls. If you put in a height of 1" though, it will look right. I would report this to Chief because I can't think of a good reason why the polyline should ever go into the walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Todd, When you create the Room Molding Polyline - select the Drop Down and select "Base Molding" as the one to convert. That should make a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Todd, When you create th3e Room Molding Polyline - select the Drop Down and select "Base Molding" as the one to convert. That should make a big difference. In my frustration I deleted the base molding and then did a room molding polyline, but there was no drop down option for "base mold" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 So eliminate the Molding Polyline, Add a Base Molding to the Room and then create a new Room Molding Polyline - converting the Base Molding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Joe, I thought of doing that, but I wanted to see what I could do by raising the room molding polyline to 1" before creating it and then select the segments not needed to be molding. Then I lowered the molding polyline back to 0". Learned a lot of valuable little stuff today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 with your file if I click- - "make make room molding polyline" and leave it set to 0 I get what you got. -Do the same and set to 4" and I get what Arthur got. -make room polyline- then convert to molding polyline- get a pline with fewer nodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 1. I was told that when drawing a polyline for molding that once converted to a molding it will not be placed in front of doors or windows if the line crosses in front of the opening. But that does not seem to be true unless I am doing something wrong. 2. I was told that I could select sections (or walls) at a time and remove molding from that wall or section. I am not sure of the steps I might be missing to make this work. 3. Then I removed the base molding from the room and drew a polyline only where I wanted the base molding, because using the room polyline created a strange profile that did not follow the inside face of the room. Then I had the problem in 1. Any help in explaining how to do this? 1. This is not correct. If you manually draw a molding polyline, you will have to manually add breaks and turn the molding off for any edges that you don't want to have molding. Even if you use the Make Room Polyline tool, you will still have to manually add breaks for all of the openings. If you use the Make Room Molding Polyline tool, the program will automatically add breaks and turn the molding off for any doors and windows depending on the height of the polyline when it is created. Once the molding polyline is created though, it will not automatically update if you change it's height or move any walls, windows, or doors. It will behave exactly like a manual one from then on. 2. You can select any edge of a molding polyline and turn off the molding in the specification dialog. In X7, you will also be able to use an edit toolbar button to do this which should be a little easier and faster. 3. This is the hard way. If you use the Make Room Molding Polyline tool, it will automatically remove the molding from the room after the molding polyline is created. Your picture also shows a bug. The room molding polyline should normally never go beyond the walls of the room. You can expand it into other rooms using the Expand Room Polyline tool but this should only expand it past room divider or invisible walls. It should never go into walls like shown in your picture. I believe this has something to do with the height being set to 0 and not having a molding profile. The good news is that this has already been fixed in X7. One of the many bug fixes that probably won't show up in the "What's New in X7" list. BTW, the public beta test for X7 will be starting in only 5 days. I would also encourage you to report these kinds of problems to our tech support team if you run into them in the future. We don't usually read Chieftalk posts looking for bugs so it is unlikely that discussing a bug on this forum will result in it getting fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 1. This is not correct. If you manually draw a molding polyline, you will have to manually add breaks and turn the molding off for any edges that you don't want to have molding. Even if you use the Make Room Polyline tool, you will still have to manually add breaks for all of the openings. If you use the Make Room Molding Polyline tool, the program will automatically add breaks and turn the molding off for any doors and windows depending on the height of the polyline when it is created. Once the molding polyline is created though, it will not automatically update if you change it's height or move any walls, windows, or doors. It will behave exactly like a manual one from then on. 2. You can select any edge of a molding polyline and turn off the molding in the specification dialog. In X7, you will also be able to use an edit toolbar button to do this which should be a little easier and faster. 3. This is the hard way. If you use the Make Room Molding Polyline tool, it will automatically remove the molding from the room after the molding polyline is created. Your picture also shows a bug. The room molding polyline should normally never go beyond the walls of the room. You can expand it into other rooms using the Expand Room Polyline tool but this should only expand it past room divider or invisible walls. It should never go into walls like shown in your picture. I believe this has something to do with the height being set to 0 and not having a molding profile. The good news is that this has already been fixed in X7. One of the many bug fixes that probably won't show up in the "What's New in X7" list. BTW, the public beta test for X7 will be starting in only 5 days. I would also encourage you to report these kinds of problems to our tech support team if you run into them in the future. We don't usually read Chieftalk posts looking for bugs so it is unlikely that discussing a bug on this forum will result in it getting fixed. 1. So how do you do this for the building exterior? 2. Yay for X7! 3. Good to know. Some one mentioned a bug, but I would not have know otherwise, I am glad it is fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 1. So how do you do this for the building exterior? Todd, You need to select the "exterior room" and then select the Make Room Molding Polyline button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Just noticed something about base molding that seems to control the room polygon. The normal base molding is placed on top of the finished floor. So in a tiled bath room the top of finish is 1/2" so the room molding polygon is set at 1/2" high. If I remove the base molding and ask for a room molding polygon to be drawn at a height of 0" the polygon slips under walls and messes up the polygon with complex and multiple nodes. The room molding polygon and room polygon must be set to above the floor finish for it to draw correctly. However, we have been told that this has been corrected in X7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 ...... The room molding polygon and room polygon must be set to above the floor finish for it to draw correctly. However, we have been told that this has been corrected in X7. I just checked, it worked for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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