dshall Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hi Perry, in another post that I did not look for, you made the statement that if we are not adding any floor area, Title-24 was not required. I have a project where I am only replacing an old 80 s.f. sliding glass door with a new 80 s.f. sliding glass door. The city is asking for Title-24, I asked my T-24 person about this and this is her statement to me. "Since the replacement is over 75 s.f, the required glass is ufactor 0.32 and SHGC is 0.25. If the owner can meet this, I can fill out a form with a lot of "n/a"everywhere else. If the owner already bought the door and it does not meet the required values, we would need to run the whole house to prove that itstill complies. Since I have received a number of people that have bought the La Cantina doors that do not meet the numbers, I would like to verifybefore I start." My Title 24 person thinks this is a LaCantina door, it is actually a dual glazed sliding glass door. Do you have any comments? Do you think this is so? Can you cite verbiage that says otherwise? Thanks Perry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 This is the kind of nonsense that ticks me off. We are replacing a sliding glass door. What does that entail? -BMP's -TITLE 24 -Engineer's calcs checking the vertical analysis of header (replacing 4x12 with 3-1/2x11-7/8 psl) -Engineer's lateral analysis (no change in walls) -A set of plans with framing and foundation and site plan and vicinity map and floor plan -a detail of the post connection at each end of header down to the existing sill plate And I wonder why homeowner's do not pull permits....... This is easily an extra $1000.00 worth of work to replace a door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief58 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Gee Scott I was ticked off because an inspector would pass the plans til I changed the title on the plan to something he wanted and it didn't have anything to do with what was in the plans, where the he double hockey stick do these people come from or make up such rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Scott- No floor space and no volume add- no calc's required, but you must still follow all mandatory measures and min u- value and SHGC. Of course the building official can do anything they want. Then you can fight it by having them call the Calif. Energy Comm. hotline 1-800-772-3300. If you have any questions, they will always have the correct answer. Give them a call as things are changing every day b/c not everyone is up to date on the code including myself. As you know I stopped doing them to free myself up and really haven't learned the new program yet. Your deal really doesn't make since to me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 ........ but you must still follow all mandatory measures and min u- value and SHGC......... Okay, I think I understand. I still need my Title-24 person to fill out the prescriptive forms with a bunch of N/A's with the forms essentially calling out the u-value and the SHGC. A note on the plans specifying the min ratings is not good enough? Another $75.00 cost to client. I am with you, I thought about learning this new stuff but figured my time was better served drawing and paying someone else to fill out the forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Here are some energy notes I put on every plan, calc's or not, seems to work around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I don't know how you guys stand all the government you have...geez. Oh yea...maybe it's the weather? (right now it's 42 degrees in Indy...wind is about to howl 20-30 mph...lovely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 I don't know how you guys stand all the government you have...geez. Oh yea...maybe it's the weather? (right now it's 42 degrees in Indy...wind is about to howl 20-30 mph...lovely) lol, Yep, that's it, we suffer the bureaucracy, but the weather ain't half bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 "We suffer for our plans" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McQueen3D Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I am never moving to Californiastan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 We do get the big bucks here, but is it really worth the pounding you take every day ?????? I get enough pounding from my wife, do I really need more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysEastern Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 The new California Green code makes us fill out energy calcs for just about every job now. Residential alteration form CF1R‐ALT‐01‐E. The LABDS plan checker stated he hadn't even been trained on what is actually required. I had to fill out for window changes which was replacing 7 windows and 1 door from single pane glass to dual glazed low E etc.along with better installation methods. Doesn't take a genius to figure out I am improving performance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Do you have anything like this, there? See Building>5.>Replacement In Kind. http://www.sonoma-county.org/prmd/docs/handouts/bpc-005.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 HEY Brian, Are you close by? what city? Yes, you now need more forms, but calc's are not needed for window change-outs, just the prescriptive method (forms) are ok at least around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 In Wash. DC it used to be ok to do kitchen replacements without a permit but too many "cheaters" would then move walls etc so DC finally required a permit to document the replacement with a final inspection Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysEastern Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 HEY Brian, Are you close by? what city? Yes, you now need more forms, but calc's are not needed for window change-outs, just the prescriptive method (forms) are ok at least around here. See Building>5.>Replacement In Kind. I work mostly LA and Orange County. This particular job in Rolling Hills (contracts out to LA County Building) had the same square footage of windows but the spacing/position were changed slightly. There was no change in the house square footage. To get the job started, I didn't question it. Just did what they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzira Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 @JJohnson, that form was written in 2012. Does it still apply after the 2013 code adoption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 @JJohnson, that form was written in 2012. Does it still apply after the 2013 code adoption? It still shows up on the Sonoma County PRMD website as current. I sent the ombudsman a note asking and will let you know what I find out, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Still in effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzira Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 That's what you get for living in wine country. Here we get 20 lashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrump Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 This is precisely why the government needs to be overthrown and a new one installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 This is precisely why the government needs to be overthrown and a new one installed As a child of the 60's I say: what ??? Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 That's what you get for living in wine country. Here we get 20 lashes. I've figured it was so that the quick and cheap replacement companies could sail along. Permiting requirements for that might slow down, add expense, and even prevent some from doing an upgrade that saves energy, creates jobs, etc, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otisbradley Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 @D. Scott Hall I'm doing the same thing on a project in Ojai Ca Ridiculous stuff Here's a handout they have ... Cheers Otis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 This is an old thread, now you do need to fill out all the California title 24 stuff, but not when this thread started. Otis, my sister in law Rae, was Mayor of Ojai a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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