DzinEye Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, robdyck said: For me, this is a good thing. I may need to make a change to a completed set that doesn't affect some elevation views so I don't want them to update and then have to redo the cleanup of errant lines. This is really only for lines that need to be deleted because I use CAD lines for lines that need to be added (they won't disappear after a drawing update). Yep... couldn't agree more. Experienced sorrow a few times before learning. If a project lay dormant for a while you forget how much manual fixing you did on the elevations. Then it picks up and need to do a little something to the plan and not thinking about it do an update and everything done on the elevations, much or all not even effected by the change... up in smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, DzinEye said: Yep... couldn't agree more. Experienced sorrow a few times before learning. If a project lay dormant for a while you forget how much manual fixing you did on the elevations. Then it picks up and need to do a little something to the plan and not thinking about it do an update and everything done on the elevations, much or all not even effected by the change... up in smoke. I'd actually like a lock feature for drawings in layout so that you could lock and prevent updating for all layout boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I have always used live views for everything, I really don't want to guess if things are updated or not. If you need to fix or add lines , do it on the live view, not on the layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAmichael240114 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Always live views for everything so they auto update. Floor plans in colour so that different wall types are colour coded. Exterior elevations colour, Cross sections black and white for better detail. Layouts printed as PDF for digital emailing and printing. Cost of colour printing is not a consideration, small cost compared to the cost of the project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge_Runner Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 8 hours ago, DavidJames said: Another nice benefit of using Plot Lines is being able to use the Edit Linework tool. My biggest reason for using Plot lines. CA still adds tooooooo many extraneous lines for me and I always try to edit those out in layout. My OCD I guess but I like clean layout sections. That said, CA is much better in this area than it was a few years ago. Now, if they would just put one line in section views instead of two (one on top of the other) my work would be even less to clean things up. I don't know why it is necessary to send two lines for each one in section to layout, especially when "merge lines" is selected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Plot lines. Color fill. And a great layer set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I started playing more and more with color in my layouts as more and more jurisdictions have gone to electronic submittals, and more and more builders are using electronics on the job site. The print well in B/W for a job site set as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I let my layer set control the line weights. Very little "cleanup" once it's sent to the layout page. Corner boards can be an issue, but I live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Ridge_Runner said: Now, if they would just put one line in section views instead of two That second line is located in the layer set under CROSS SECTION LINE...or something to that effect. You can simply turn it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge_Runner Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 44 minutes ago, joey_martin said: You can simply turn it off. I will have to check, but I think that cross section line is the one that works with "snaps" while the other one does not. Been a while since I explored that dilemma; maybe it is better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Ridge_Runner said: I will have to check, but I think that cross section line is the one that works with "snaps" while the other one does not. Been a while since I explored that dilemma; maybe it is better now. Cross Section Lines can be off in an Elevation View...I'm not sure they are even generated. They are really only functional in a section view AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 9 hours ago, joey_martin said: I let my layer set control the line weights. Very little "cleanup" once it's sent to the layout page. Corner boards can be an issue, but I live with it. Yep, I think that is the answer, PLOT LINES because you can control line weights whereas with LIVE VIEW the line weights cannot be control by layer set. Nuts, I was hoping the answer was LIVE VIEW because it seems so much faster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, dshall said: LIVE VIEW the line weights cannot be control by layer set. The line weights are indeed controlled by the layer set in a live view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisb222 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I'm in the Plot Lines crowd, sharper printed lines and the Edit Lines tool win it for me. On 5/28/2020 at 11:01 AM, Alaskan_Son said: and they must be updated manually. Yes, anything to do with the model itself. However, many elements of the original view, when changed, will update automatically. Text and CAD added or deleted will update live, as well as dimensions and story pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chrisb222 said: However, many elements of the original view, when changed, will update automatically. Text and CAD added or deleted will update live, as well as dimensions and story pole. Yes. This is true but it can be just as much of a bad thing as a it is a good thing since those annotation objects then might not jive with the visual display in layout. I really don’t mind the manual updating though. I do it one view at a time and take the opportunity to proof each page while doing so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 3 hours ago, robdyck said: The line weights are indeed controlled by the layer set in a live view. Hi Rob, I am not sure you are correct..... but I am not sure I am correct. I did a test, sent a LIVE VIEW and a PLOT LINE VIEW to layout with super heavy line weights for a particular layer, and in layout they were super heavy (but one was super heavier than the other), but when I went to print to PDFS, the LIVE VIEW was not heavy any more. Did you test it? The first pic is a screen shot of the LAYOUT, The second pic is a screen shot of the PDF. Note there is no heavy line at the building on the left. (BTW, is a layer called WALL,PARAPET that has the super heavy line. Let's take a vote, who believes me and who believes Rob? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, dshall said: Let's take a vote, who believes me and who believes Rob? Well shoot, a couple of quick tests and it appears as though I'm wrong. So where does a printed Live View get its line weights from?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, dshall said: Hi Rob, I am not sure you are correct..... but I am not sure I am correct. I did a test, sent a LIVE VIEW and a PLOT LINE VIEW to layout with super heavy line weights for a particular layer, and in layout they were super heavy (but one was super heavier than the other), but when I went to print to PDFS, the LIVE VIEW was not heavy any more. Did you test it? The first pic is a screen shot of the LAYOUT, The second pic is a screen shot of the PDF. Note there is no heavy line at the building on the left. (BTW, is a layer called WALL,PARAPET that has the super heavy line. Let's take a vote, who believes me and who believes Rob? Scott, I know we used to be able to control line weights through the layersets, for sure did we lose this capability ? Didn't notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Interestingly enough, I can get some line weights to print really thin from a Live View, but not really thick. One more reason why I don't like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 All Live Views Screenshot of elevation view: from layout BEFORE printing: from the pdf: Clearly I'm not in control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 plot lines, pdf: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 23 hours ago, DRAWZILLA said: Scott, I know we used to be able to control line weights through the layersets, for sure did we lose this capability ? Didn't notice. Perry, when you send to layout using LIVE VIEW your cannot control line weights via layer set. If you send PLOT LINES with color fill, you can control line weights with layer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 23 hours ago, robdyck said: Well shoot, a couple of quick tests and it appears as though I'm wrong. So where does a printed Live View get its line weights from?? Does that mean I am the big winner? Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! Thanks Rob for verifying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 57 minutes ago, dshall said: If you send PLOT LINES with color fill, you can control line weights with laye yes, I guess that's what I was doing. Thanks buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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