Designer100 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 I would appreciate any help on roof rafters not showing. seems they are below fascia. this is a remodeling Newell Cheatheam 281.392.3034 newell.cheatheam@gmail.com chief x 11 windows 10 Nguyen_new_plan.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Not quite sure how you got to there Newel but it appears your settings are ok. Try "Edit All Roof Planes" > Structure > "Build Roof Framing." Possibly you changed some settings after the roof was framed and while "Automatically Build Roof Framing" was turned off. For some reason "Build Framing for Selected Object(s)" does not seem to work in your plan file if someone else can explain that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I had to... Edit All Roof Planes>Structure Panel>Roof Layers>uncheck Soffits and then check Roof>Build Roof Framing. Make sure your Framing, Roof Rafters is turned on in the 3D view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I selected all exposed rafters, go into dbx, select rafter tails and put a checkmark into Remain Aspect Ratio. If checkmark already there, uncheck and re-check again and that will fix the issue. Nguyen new plan 1.zipFetching info... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/21/2019 at 1:34 AM, glennw said: I had to... Edit All Roof Planes>Structure Panel>Roof Layers>uncheck Soffits and then check Roof>Build Roof Framing. Make sure your Framing, Roof Rafters is turned on in the 3D view. Expand Glenn if that really works on a Mac you should send it in as that goes against what the manual says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/21/2019 at 7:56 AM, Greg_NY61 said: I selected all exposed rafters, go into dbx, select rafter tails and put a checkmark into Remain Aspect Ratio. If checkmark already there, uncheck and re-check again and that will fix the issue. Expand Interesting discovery Greg as that setting should have nothing to do with the problem but it seems you found a trigger that will cause an individual rafter to rebuild or in your case all of the selected rafters. You don't actually have to check anything.... Just open the rafter DBX and close it to get the same result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG1949 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/21/2019 at 12:34 AM, Chopsaw said: Try "Edit All Roof Planes" > Structure > "Build Roof Framing." Expand That worked for me too. Just had to be re-framed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 if it's exposed rafters you want then change the soffit material to opening no material and the rafters will show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 On 7/21/2019 at 6:31 PM, DRAWZILLA said: if it's exposed rafters you want then change the soffit material to opening no material and the rafters will show. Expand I think that works for standard view but not vector view.. am I correct? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 works for me, but you need to adjust the material to air gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer100 Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 thanks. Still having issues with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 1:55 AM, Designer100 said: Still having issues with it. Expand Could you explain with a bit more detail ? Same problem or the misaligned roof planes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/22/2019 at 10:08 PM, DRAWZILLA said: works for me, but you need to adjust the material to air gap Expand Hi P. OPENING NO MATERIAL also works...... so what am I thinking of? ..... I thought those materials were shown as solid in vector mode and invisible in standard view. Have things changed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 2:04 PM, dshall said: Hi P. OPENING NO MATERIAL also works...... so what am I thinking of? ..... I thought those materials were shown as solid in vector mode and invisible in standard view. Have things changed? Expand I think so but Chief didn't tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 here is a short video about exposed rafters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 2:04 PM, dshall said: I thought those materials were shown as solid in vector mode and invisible in standard view. Have things changed? Expand When I saw P's post last night ran downstairs to check it out. It only works in this application, alas the other objects I tested are the same as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 5:02 PM, MarkMc said: When I saw P's post last night ran downstairs to check it out. It only works in this application, alas the other objects I tested are the same as always. Expand Well, ain't that a pistol...... so I was initially correct when I said it does not work for vector mode , but when specifically applying the OPENING NO MATERIAL to the soffits, it is invisible even in vector mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Try using air gap instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 7:31 PM, DRAWZILLA said: Try using air gap instead Expand Material type is "air gap" as you suggested in first post. Try it on any symbol besides the roof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 8:22 PM, MarkMc said: Material type is "air gap" as you suggested in first post. Try it on any symbol besides the roof Expand Someday we should put a list together of all these subtle CA anomalies....... like the FOUNDATION layer..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Perry, Is your method, the same as/better /worse than unchecking Soffits? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 1:19 AM, glennw said: Perry, Is your method, the same as/better /worse than unchecking Soffits? Expand The reason for using soffits is the soffits control the height of the exterior finish. So, if you want your stucco veneer to stop at top plates, the soffit is not necessary. However, if you want the stucco veneer to go BEYOND the underside of the rafters and up to the roof sheathing, a soffit would be needed. By using a soffit without a finish, you will now be able to see the underside of the roof sheathing which will be plywood unless you designate the roof sheathing as "decking" which will give you the 1x6 T&G starter boards. Perry, any comments to this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 12:53 PM, dshall said: The reason for using soffits is the soffits control the height of the exterior finish. So, if you want your stucco veneer to stop at top plates, the soffit is not necessary. However, if you want the stucco veneer to go BEYOND the underside of the rafters and up to the roof sheathing, a soffit would be needed. By using a soffit without a finish, you will now be able to see the underside of the roof sheathing which will be plywood unless you designate the roof sheathing as "decking" which will give you the 1x6 T&G starter boards. Perry, any comments to this? Expand also when you have a 2x12 rafter and must have tails at 2x4 to match existing trusses so no bump in the roof exists. you must use invisible soffits to get the framing correct. this is almost an every day thing in my world.. When the existing house is trusses we almost never use trusses for the addition. everything is stick built around here. unless it is a new structure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 1:20 PM, DRAWZILLA said: also when you have a 2x12 rafter and must have tails at 2x4 to match existing trusses so no bump in the roof exists. you must use invisible soffits to get the framing correct. this is almost an every day thing in my world.. When the existing house is trusses we almost never use trusses for the addition. everything is stick built around here. unless it is a new structure. Expand Good call, thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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