Kbird1

Mark, "I just moved the insertion point on the cad block- doesn't solve it but makes it easier to move to the cabinet" That was the trick I needed when I made the two outlets earlier in the thread I guess , I will have to read up on it as I was not aware of that possibility. My symbols work just like Joe's , they need manual placement / alignment , I have not tried Reflecting them.

I tried what P said too Joey but I think cos its a monoslab , it wont let you select just the raised portion by the look, like you can with a normal stemwall footing ,though I'm no expert on Mono Slabs.

I think you are Right Dennis , you have to do this in and Elevation view Mike if it's not clear in Dennis Instructions above. You will likely need to do some cleanup of wall ends etc by applying Solids or Soffits though.

Thanks Joe ... just curious Why your Horizontal outlet needs to be 4 1/8 depth ? though it doesn't show that way in 3D Both your Y axis's should be 4 7/16" BTW to get them to touch the cabinet.

see above Tommy , for me the horizontal was 1 1/2" off too.

I have no idea why the Cabinet Outlets don't automagically find the Cabinets , you'd think a no-brainer but that is on CA's end , that is not something I can fix , maybe they can ? maybe they can't ? and that 's why they are the way they are ? Still ,the Modeller got Lazy and should of done what I did so they would of at least worked properly in there Current Form. @ Mark ...I like that line too

Have another try, they work fine for me , I think golfing holidays are making you lazy , you haven't rotated any of them properly or aligned the cad block tails to the cabinet side , if you haven't noticed ? Cabinet outlets do not automagically find the cabinet like wall outlets do. Cabinet Outlets Plan.plan

the other post is here Sandi https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/5183-save-as-pdf-wcolored-jpgs-doesnt-work-after-update/

I don't think there is any CA Title that can turn a PDF into a 3D Model , but you can download a free trial of whatever Title you are considering and try drawing it up yourself . The trial can't save files , that it the only limitation. http://www.chiefarchitect.com/products/trial.html https://www.homedesignersoftware.com/products/trial.html

good to hear ( or not) I thought it was just me , the Structure DBX was designed to drive most crazy I think....

I am in X7 , but I notice in DJP's vid that the symbols reacted differently than in his , once I changed them to wall mount . Yes I did after changing them both to wall option, they were both off by half their height as mentioned , but I now suspect I am doing something in a different Order than you , or my initial placement is different perhaps? While double checking just now , more weirdness, all 4 outlets marked Wall Option "leaped" to the closest Wall when I changed views, think I'll stick to the ones I altered they aren't Crazy , they are still where I placed them ....

Couple of things might help.... in your 1/4 Dimension defaults set the Auto Dim line separation to say 24" or 30 " (default is 18" I think ) and in the Auto Elevation defaults Uncheck everything on the Locate tab for a bar bones look , then add back as needed. Not sure why your stairs are picked up mine aren't in the quick test plan I did........ oh I had to use a multi select (with the shift Key) after clicking on MANUAL dimension on the dim.toolbar and delete them that way . Cabinets only on

and make sure you change the X,Y,Z, origins to 0" for each or they don't set to the height to center set in the Objects DBX. at least I had to do this as they set at 1 1/2" high and 2 1/2" high for the Vertical one. ( ie height is really set to Bottom of object) , when you click on them in elevation views you see the bounding box is in the wrong place which is what alerted me to this. Not sure if I have the Latest Catalogue items though? (MEP got a update a while back but nothing tonight , just checked)

I had a play in Scott's Challenge Thread , with these so there is more info there about the issue, plus there are a couple of Outlets I have "Fixed" that seem to work ok now , placed the dshall way , and they don't sit on the Floor either. disclaimer I am CAD Block Challenged so you may want to change it. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/5408-the-cabinet-electrical-outlet-challenge/#entry47224

I found the same things as you Mark while messing with / altering the CA ones but after some more messing around I have these two ( Below) you can try. In plan view you can place them with the "Legs" of the CAD Block touching the cabinet line and they should look right in 3D. Chief automatically alters the smoothing on symbols when resaving them for some reason? so these are about 45° while the CA Duplex outlet is about 79° , you can alter that on the symbols 3D Tab but I don't mind them like this , little more definition. Cabinet Outlets.calibz

DJP 's finding makes sense of what I found with the CA symbols Scott , So maybe you do owe him lunch ..... you had placed them using the CAD Block , with the "legs" just touching the cabinet side, not with the selection handle aligned/centred with the cabinet side, so opening the symbol and setting it back the thickness off the wall as I (unknowingly) did , ie about 4 " made them look right in 3D too, but switch them to Wall Mounted per DJP and then make sure the selection handle is centred on the cabinet side. seems to correct it, setting them to Wall mount means they reference a wall however , though I don't' know if that is an issue ? the symbols also need their X.Y or Z axis's modified too, to get them to placed at the height to centred set in the Object's DBX accurately, see my plan below for those notes if wanted. here is the plan , I made some notes on the saved elevation BBB SCOTTS CABINET ELEC OUTLET CHALLENGE 1_Mick.plan *** I see Mark has discovered a Wall Referenced issue above

Both Symbols Y Offset needs to be adjusted 4 5/16 for the horizontal and 4 1/8 for the Vertical , both are set at - 1/8" ? , I'm not sure why they sit on the floor either . when the Modeller could easily have fixed that I believe..

So only shear walls ? , here they are usually 3/4 ply , but ALL exterior walls here get 1/2 ply (or OSB if going cheap) M.

Hi Larry, I was just messing around with Glenn's tip on rebuilding/retaining the framing and it doesn't work with my materials it seems I also found that if you have Retain Wall Framing Checked in the Wall DBX you don't get the Icon on the Edit toolbar , but you can still rebuild via the Build >Framing Menu . Not sure if the missing Build framing icon is cos of the retain framing setting in your case. I also noticed in your Video in the tips forum , you have no sheathing layer on your walls ,though I'm not sure if that is effecting anything.

Thanks Glenn , wasn't aware of that Tip , That thread is my old one on B&B , but this works nicer than my old files there ,with the true 3D bit more work around Doors and Windows though. Not sure if it is a difference in your method Larry (separate wall) vs using my Batten Material posted above , but you do get the Framing option on the edit Toolbar with my Material as it part of the Wall. *** just had a thought since your method uses a separate wall you are clicking on the separate wall right ? not the main wall

just watched your last video , looks like you had basically the same idea from Glenn's post and you are right you have do do work around the windows and Doors , as CA automatically adds doubles at all openings and the headers but depending on the view you could build framing with headers set at 0" depth ,so you only need to delete the odd double at each opening. For Cross sections you would need to build framing again with headers set back to default depth. I also found I had to set my Casing just a tad thicker to get it to work right , eg 1 5/8 thick as my board and batt = 1 1/2" then there was no "z-fighting" edit: here is the Plan too Larry Cedar Batten Plan1.plan

Hi Larry , sorry I didn't look at the Videos , as Glenn's idea reminded me that a while back I made some new materials to use as Rainscreen Battens as they are Code here , and it occurred to me the same idea would work for these Battens, and perfectly for the Cedar B&B I have needed in the Past on several jobs , the only caveat is that you must have Wall, Framing on in all views and obviously build the wall framing, changing the number of top and bottom plates as needed, to make the Battens look right (pics) which may mess up cross sections but a few cross boxes will fix that issue for the wall framing top and bottom plates. Here is the Library I made , it has 6" ,8" and 10" OC Battens , once imported , add the appropriate one as the 1st (outer) layer of the wall , and build your framing and turn on the framing in each 3d view, they don't even look bad with shadows on. Use the "Balloon through Ceiling Option" in the wall DBX on Gable walls to eliminate the Horizontal batten. Cedar Battens.calibz ***Edit looks like we posted at the same time , and perhaps you got to the same place I did ****2017 Also see https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/topic/16852-board-and-batten-library/ M.

Kbird1, on 29 May 2015 - 12:34 PM, said: Wouldn't you run into this all the time on the 2nd floor? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The burning Hay Bales ? just joking ...no I wouldn't ever see this as everything has to be drywalled (1/2hr or 1hr rated) anyway being fully finished , new homes here have to be sprinkled too along with Renos if deemed large enough % wise that the home is essentially new. Unfinished basements I know are common in a lot of places though due to Cost, and that space is used for storage , so I can only guess there was an "incident" and somebody got sued or a whole lot worse, hence the new Regs.

Since you are new , just want to make sure you are aware of the Knowledge Base (KB) , lots of good tutorials here http://www.chiefarchitect.com/support/database.html I would advise getting the Reference Manual PDF linked on the Help Menu too , I usually find it easier to use than the online help but in this case it is handy , select the custom ceiling plane and Open it's DBX (dialog box) , and in the bottom right hand corner click on the help button and it will open to the ceiling plane Specification Help Items. It sounds to me though , that you drew it in the wrong direction , the tick mark on the 1st line seen is pointing up. M

There is a Home Designer Website over here too https://hometalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/forum/5-qa/ which if you need more help maybe better as there will be people with the same title as you . As Perry mentioned close the plan before trying to attach it to your Post. ( don't need to close HDI , just the plan.) And don't forget to file in your Profile Signature so people know what you are Using...Program and Year M.