HumbleChief Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I am experimenting with the Window/Door Schedules in separate CAD details, instead of part of the plan view, and miss the ease of having the Schedule with the plan while modifying the schedule. Of course I can open the CAD detail in another window and observe changes data but it's an extra step and an extra monitor (I have 3) and am not quite sure of the benefit yet. Biggest benefit I can see is that the schedule will have it place on the Layout pre-defined and pre-sent to Layout. Curious, what do you do? Schedules in plan view or a CAD detail? Other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Schedules in CAD. No down side, not saying it won't work in plan, but CAD detail is very very easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I have mine in a Cad Detail. This way if I want to change the plan scale or crop the plan view, I don't have to change the schedules. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I have mine in a Cad Detail. This way if I want to change the plan scale or crop the plan view, I don't have to change the schedules. Jon Yep. just a few of the advantages and I bet we can think of some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 Thanks you guys, do you have them open in a CAD window while working with windows/sizes/changes to insure the Schedule(s) stay correct? I've had them in my plans forever. Seems easy enough, just another habit to develop. OT - Off for my Sunday morning Ocean swim - love it - the water is really nice in San Diego right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy1 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Always a cad detail. Almost everything sent to a layout is from a cad detail except for plan views obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 CAD Details - IMO the only way to go. I don't want anything in the Plan that would increase the boundary of what I send to Layout. It's just complicates things too much. Most CAD Detail Windows get sent to Layout on different Sheets than the Plans. Some CAD Detail Windows are just work product, substituting for the Library where things are just applicable to this project or are more convenient places to store and access. Note that CAD Detail Windows also have an "editable name" which can then be used with the macro %view_name%. This is a very nice way to get the view named in the Layout without having to use the Layout Box Label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaehmer Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Same here. Put them in CAD Details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I have had them in the plan, but willing to try a cad detail--next new job. I have noticed that having them in the plan sometimes causes them to re-size (get larger) for no reason. Why, I don't know but I'm getting tired of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 When you guys are saying put everything not part of the main plan in CAD Details - I guess id love to understand more what you mean. Do you use CAD details for sections cuts of the building? You guys are ok losing update-able sections?...or are you bringing them in someway they can still be updated by the app? If CA is watching this thread, I would really love to see a video series on "best practices" for plan organization. The video library currently shows what you can do, but id actually like to see what we should be doing for the most efficient workflow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy1 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 If you move your cursor over one of the toolbars at the top, you'll see one for "cad detail management", OR you could go to the cad tab at the top and scroll down to cad detail management. I keep a lot of things there that I send to the layout. You can take any view and use cad detail from view, and it will place it in a cad detail which can be found in the cad detail management. If you send a plan, elevation or whatever (except a schedule), it will not be "live". Schedules remain "live" in a cad detail". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Johnny, Elevations and Sections are automatically in their own Window (view) separate from the Plan. They are semi- live, but may need to be re-displayed in order to update when changes are made to the Plan. Sections can be trimmed by limiting the ends of the Section Cut (Callout), thus creating Wall Sections. Those can be annotated and sent to Layout at a larger scale than the Building Sections. For Larger Scale Details I might use a portion of one of those and as Tommy indicated use "CAD Detail From View". That kind of Detail doesn't need to be "Live". Personally, I usually put those in "Detail Plans" since they are more generic and can be used in many different Projects. IOW, those become 2D Details and become a part of a Detail Plan Library for use in any other Project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Hey Johhny, here's a video on the difference between Schedules in the plan and Schedules in a CAD Detail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Thank you for this thread. I didn't know that I could put Schedules in a CAD Detail. This makes my life easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 You can put almost anything in a CAD Detail Window. Hotkey Shift-V is the easy way to create a new empty CAD Detail Window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I wonder why Schedules are the only thing that automatically updates in a cad detail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 I wonder why Schedules are the only thing that automatically updates in a cad detail? Not sure that schedules are the only thing that automatically updates in a CAD Detail. I think all CAD details automatically update to the Layout. Not elevation views, but those, technically, are not CAD Details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 But not automatically like Schedules do, of course you can open any cad detail and change it just like elevations but as far as I know schedules are the only thing that will do it automatically without opening it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 But not automatically like Schedules do, of course you can open any cad detail and change it just like elevations but as far as I know schedules are the only thing that will do it automatically without opening it up. Got it and I think you're right - interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I don't think that's not correct. AFAIK, all CAD Detail will automatically update in the Layout. The only things that don't automatically update are Elevations & Sections - ie Camera Views don't automatically update to the Layout. However, all CAD (Text, Dims, Lines, etc.) added to an Elevation or Section View will update automatically. It's only the changes made to the Plan (Model) which effect the view that don't automatically update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I really never use cad details anyway, I like everything live, if possible ,and all my details are in the layout or the lib. I never remember them updating automatically. Maybe b/c ,I never use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Normally, the only things that can be copyied to - or created in - a CAD Detail Window are CAD Objects. But I once put a "Stair Section" in a CAD Detail. I don't know how I did that but I still have that CAD Detail Window in my Default Plan ----- and I'm not going to delete it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 FWIW, I tried copying a "Stair Section" from the Plan to a CAD Detail in X7, then in X6 and then in X5. X5 allowes it but X6 & X7 don't. So this is lost functionality - but it probably shouldn't have been there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 ........ X5 allowes it but X6 & X7 don't. So this is lost functionality - but it probably shouldn't have been there in the first place. Interesting Joe, so you are saying in X5 I could of created a back clip cross section and then put that into a CAD detail. A while back, I thought about doing this and I tried to do this with no success. I am not sure why I wanted to do it and I am not sure of any advantages of being able to do this....... if I had to guess, I was probably playing with the idea of auto updatable back clip cross sections. As you implied, not sure if this ability is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Interesting Joe, so you are saying in X5 I could of created a back clip cross section and then put that into a CAD detail. A while back, I thought about doing this and I tried to do this with no success. I am not sure why I wanted to do it and I am not sure of any advantages of being able to do this....... if I had to guess, I was probably playing with the idea of auto updatable back clip cross sections. As you implied, not sure if this ability is needed. No, I don't think that would work. Cross Sections are in their own "Camera View" Windows. and I don't see any way (or any reason) to copy them. You do have the option to make a "New CAD Detail From View" but that's not live. It's useful for creating larger scale CAD Details but that's about the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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