VHampton Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 There is always the slight problem with the shadowed views in that they aren't sent to layout as line drawings. ....meaning that they have to go into the viewport as images. They always seem to "pixelate" pretty badly. Is this how Vector works does it? This past year I started playing with the very same idea in color. Meaning that I keep a standard view in layout, then send a shadowed image to the same sheet. The image then gets tweaked until it matches up with quarter scale. So far it works fine. Much nicer looking than regular line drawings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I am not an expert Chief user, in fact, have not done a full project in Chief, I have been using it for concepts and 3d visuals etc. I still do my CDs in Autocad Architecture - Please take a look at the attached file - This particular client wants the drawings a certain way (specially all exterior elevations with shadows, dark glass, showing all wall materials, grades, etc, etc....> Can Chief generate auto elevations that can match the preciseness, look and style? I mean, I know it can, but will it take too much tweaking (time consuming??) Thanks for looking Raul Arise Design Well, look at this one. Chief does it in vector view in combination with its visual styles, hopefully I am not stating the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Well, look at this one. Chief does it in vector view in combination with its visual styles, hopefully I am not stating the obvious. You are not stating the obvious. How did you get the shaded windows and how did you create the shadows? There have been many posts detailing how to get the shaded windows and the shadows, however I think most of us agree it is a bit cumbersome and not auto. You did not explain how you achieved your results, did you do it any differently from the other posters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Doutone, adjust the dark color black and desaturation 50%, and do "final view with shadows"then send it to layout, again send the vector view to lay out, overlap after scaling. Finally the brightness of the overlapped image is increased up to 40. Then enjoy it, if you lock the picture it is perfect shadowed vector view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 It would really be nice if we could set that up and have Chief repeat the whole thing "On Demand". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Actually once you set it, chief will save it for good in that plan. No need to repeat all those steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenPalmer Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Pretty good work around. I guess the biggest issue I see besides potential image quality, and the extra time is the ability to edit the elevation of stray lines. Would still be great to have it built into the vector views automatically without workarounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Doutone, adjust the dark color black and desaturation 50%, and do "final view with shadows"then send it to layout, again send the vector view to lay out, overlap after scaling. Finally the brightness of the overlapped image is increased up to 40. Then enjoy it, if you lock the picture it is perfect shadowed vector view. Good stuff Yusuf, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Good stuff Yusuf, thanks. Thanks Scott, glad if that worked fine for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Thanks Scott, glad if that worked fine for you. So I showed my client the attached pic, and he chose the one without the shadows as what he would rather see. Why? Because he is anticipating that his clients will wonder if the stucco is two different colors (because of the shadows). We try to make it look better, and sometimes we overthink things. I like the shadow/rendered pic, but the client does not.... so who wins? The client of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriseDesign Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 Scott - of course they did, the one with shadows was overdone and the stucco looks dark, too gray. I have learned that I cannot show anything that "suggests" a color to my clients, at least in the preliminary stages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
country Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Yusuf says to scale the duo tone image and then place it over the vector elevation. I know this is explained somewhere but I cannot find it. Can someone send me a link or explain how to scale the image on a layout sheet, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
country Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Why doesn't Chief send a duotone or the other options of an elevation to layout scaled? "Newbie question" but I don't understand the difference of sending the same elevation in vector, duotone, watercolour, etc. to layout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitchenAbode Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I believe that the other formats are actually generated as images versus vector based elevations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Still playing, the middle pic done in tech illus.., I added some plants, windows shaded and there are shadows. The shadows are not auto, there is actually an image on top of the vector view sent to layout. I thought this was relatively good looking. Top view is vector only, middle view is vector with tech ills, bottom view is duotone and vector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 .......Can someone send me a link or explain how to scale the image on a layout sheet, please? This might help. http://youtu.be/StD9eUlp8Iw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriseDesign Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 What about using Technical Illustration with these settings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
country Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Thank you Scott. Good idea using a new layer for the images too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 What about using Technical Illustration with these settings? ..to scale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriseDesign Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 Larry I was just posting the settings I used, not sure about scale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Nice job Scott, Looks like the knowledge base has a similar technique. http://www.chiefarchitect.com/support/article/KB-01270/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Another method - https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/1835-x6-sending-elevation-to-layout-in-colour/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Larry I was just posting the settings I used, not sure about scale... Sorry for being so brief. I tried your settings and thought were great but I think the exercise or question on the table is how to get that same great look to scale. I'll check the OP and thanks for the tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 This is a great thread. Thanks to all for the tips. I think using Rauls' settings and Scott's/Wendy's method one can get some pretty great looking elevations with shadows. Not live but pretty good looking stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I'm curious, do other programs create elevations with color/shadows with more ease? Like the OP picture. Are they live? I always wondered why Chief doesn't have this as a feature and have never heard any noise or inclination to add shadows/color to elevations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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