dskogg Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 When ever i have a lower cant below an upper roof i lose the boxed eave, any suggestions how to fix this or is this just an ongoing bug that hasnt been fixed yet? This is on x10 but happened on x9 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Taking a stab: do you have trusses on the 2nd floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 David, Does "Higher Eaves Boxed" do anything for the situation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 not sure why mine is not working... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DRAWZILLA Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TRUSSES. There is a problem with trusses framing correctly over other roofs, sometimes the eaves will not frame. with a roof below and vice versa. its been that way for a lot of versions now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesVolz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 David, Did you try checking this box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 yes tried higher eaves boxed, no change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 I know i have spoken to chief about this in x9, you would think that these kind of bugs that are very common would get fixed in new releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, solver said: I checked trusses on mine, but did not build them or any framing. build them and watch what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 do i have to redraw roof, there is no way to change roof to trusses i could find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Select all the Trusses with a marquee select , open and choose "force truss rebuild">ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Thanks Perry, i redrew roof plane with trusses checked, didnt even build framing and the soffit corrected, ca never said to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 mick, i selected all roof planes but did not see an option after opening to force rebuild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 You have to select the Trusses not the Roof Planes , ( plan view , turn Framing-Roof Trusses on) .....Trusses are not part of the roof plane , just defined by it.... click on truss in the dropdown under framing , then hold shift and group select them all in plan view ,open, check rebuild box...done , all pretty quick... M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 i see i did not actually draw the roof truss i just redrew roof with roof truss box checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Eric I can’t remember if the small roof is a truss frame, why does it matter how roof is framed, shouldn’t program work either way for a flat soffit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 because of the bug in the Trusses Building right if a lower roof is present below.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Scott Hall just had an online meeting about this, and we have believed for a long time ,this is a bug but never gets fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javatom Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 It would be nice if there was an additional type of roof framing that would create an overframe condition just like it would be built in the real world. Trusses continue on with a repeat of the previous ones, it just has more framing above it where the overlapping roof plane happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 hours ago, javatom said: It would be nice if there was an additional type of roof framing that would create an overframe condition just like it would be built in the real world. Trusses continue on with a repeat of the previous ones, it just has more framing above it where the overlapping roof plane happens. I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but just in case (for you or anyone else reading along), this is what the Truss base tool was created to do. its like a special roof plane that stops trusses below from framing into roof plane above and visa versa. Now getting the overframe framing correct is a whole different ball of wax. It's a little time consuming, but one of my currently preferred methods for both ease and 3d accuracy is to just use trusses for all of it. The overframe portion is very easy to do with trusses. Once the overframe trusses are in position, lock truss envelope and no special snapping (X10), open truss detail, delete unnecessary parts and pieces from the valley trusses, and optionally adjust the framing as much as you see fit. For the ridge beam use a roof beam with a custom rafter tail. For the ledgers, kickers, or whatever those things are called...a couple 3D boxes. Build one, rotate in elevation, rotate in plan, move into proper position, boolean operations to trim; and then copy paste in place, and reflect about to create the second... Overframe example X10.plan Not super easy although its not really all that bad with a little practice. I just can't stand it when something isn't accurate enough to take a 3D view of something without having to say things like "this won't really look like that". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 You make it sound so simple Sir ! I'm not sure why the Ridge and Kicker (valley board) can't be done auto to be honest, along with the needed Bracing for the trusses etc sometimes I think CA needs dragging out of the 80's the way they build stuff ......not to mention some of the Library Items Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterwiley Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 On 1/17/2018 at 10:05 PM, Alaskan_Son said: I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but just in case (for you or anyone else reading along), this is what the Truss base tool was created to do. its like a special roof plane that stops trusses below from framing into roof plane above and visa versa. Now getting the overframe framing correct is a whole different ball of wax. It's a little time consuming, but one of my currently preferred methods for both ease and 3d accuracy is to just use trusses for all of it. The overframe portion is very easy to do with trusses. Once the overframe trusses are in position, lock truss envelope and no special snapping (X10), open truss detail, delete unnecessary parts and pieces from the valley trusses, and optionally adjust the framing as much as you see fit. For the ridge beam use a roof beam with a custom rafter tail. For the ledgers, kickers, or whatever those things are called...a couple 3D boxes. Build one, rotate in elevation, rotate in plan, move into proper position, boolean operations to trim; and then copy paste in place, and reflect about to create the second... Overframe example X10.plan Not super easy although its not really all that bad with a little practice. I just can't stand it when something isn't accurate enough to take a 3D view of something without having to say things like "this won't really look like that". As much as I would love to have this feature automated in Chief, this solution is pretty easy. Thanks for taking the time to post the example plan. I can't for the life of me replicate the valley plate that you drew with 3D shapes though. I can get close but I can't figure out how to rotate the object to sit flat against the rafters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterwiley Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Rotating 3D solids is not very easy when on sloping angles that you can't get a cross section to view. I know its possible because Micheal did it but I'm stumped. Chief's 3D objects tools have never been my strong suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, misterwiley said: I can't for the life of me replicate the valley plate that you drew with 3D shapes. There are a few ways to do it and I believe the behavior has changed a bit since X10 but it used to be that the key was to start with a 3D box (not a polyline solid). In X12, we have more options using polyline solids but here's a method that still uses a box: Draw a 3D Box in plan view that is shaped appropriately to match the lumber size you'll be using. While the 3D Box Specification dialog is still open, adjust the Rotation by setting the correct axis and roof angle, and then click once on the appropriate Rotate+/- button. Switch to an elevation view and use Point to Point Move to set the object on top of the roof surface. Switch back to Plan View and rotate the Box to be parallel to your valley. This part is most easily just done freehand using the Rotate handle. If you want something more precise it requires some more complex extra mathematical steps that I don't want to get into. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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