jmyers Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Not too long ago, I asked "What is the best way to learn Chief?" and the responses were very amazingly helpful. So, what is the best way for someone to learn single family residential drafting/design without wanting to become an architect? I have read on this forum where many are self taught draftspersons/designers. I have 15+ years in residential construction and remodeling management. Therefore, I have a very strong foundation. However, I realize that my knowledge is probably very limited compared to experienced draftspersons/designers. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief58 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 You have the knowledge and just need to take that and run, my background is like yours and I started to do design build for my clients using Chief way back in the early versions and have just grown with the program, take that knowledge, learn the program and dig in, you don't say where you are located and what is required in your area as far as plans go, the only thing I don't do for my clients which are builders and people looking to build is the heating systems which there plumber can get at the local suppliers, read the manual, view the video's, and ask questions on here these guys are great and are always willing to help, getting membership to Chief Experts and ChiefTutor has be invaluable to me for learning the program and worth the investment, also youtube has great video's on there. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmyers Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 I'm in the Midwest and plan requirements by the building department for permit application are very basic (foundation plan, floor plan, and elevations). Engineered roof and floor systems do not have to be submitted for permit application. The lumber suppliers have to submit them when the floor and roof packages are delivered to the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I would say for one, set up your template plans and layouts for maximum performance. You can set them up, so when you are ready to draw, you can get started immediately by having everything already sent to the layout, and notes and details you would use on every project ,ready to go also . At first you might get lost but when done, you never have to set up defaults again. It's a work in progress, I'm still changing things, like with new versions of Chief b/c every new version saves me time, since version 10 for me. Good luck, when in doubt come here and ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief58 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 With those basic requirements you shouldn't have any problems, here to by the IRC codes and have to go before a plan reviewer for approval before construction begins, I supply 4 elevations with any notes that are needed, foundation plan with requirements for my area for frost protection, floor plans, flr jsts sizes, clg jsts, and rafters, a roof framing plan, electrical plans, section details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmyers Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 I have designed several homes and remodel projects in which I handed over my designs to a draftsman to draw up for the permit application. Now, I would like to learn Chief and draw for other builders and remodelers. However, my biggest fear is making a structural mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief58 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 If your building supplier is to do that then that relieves a lot from you, one thing you might want to learn or get a book on the IRC codes and lookup what are the requirements for your area as far as floor and roof loads with any snow load and frost requirements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmyers Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 I already have the IRC code book and study it often. This is all great advice! I sure appreciate it and welcome all of the advice/thoughts anyone is willing to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief58 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 With all of your resourse and knowledge I would tell you to dig in and draw something you want as a trial and do as Perry says set your defaults first and start drawing on the first floor anything you can think of and when you get stuck refer to the manual or video's, search this site and ask questions and just go for it, you are not going to learn everything is a day and will take alot of dedication on your part to how far you want to go, since my age caught up with me and I can do the phyical work I use to know I build them on the computer and a lot of the builders around here like that because I came from the trenches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 So, what is the best way for someone to learn single family residential drafting/design without wanting to become an architect? I think it's great that you are asking the question. The best way is to start by recognizing that drafting and design are two very different skill sets and should not be used as synonyms. You can be a really great drafter but a poor designer. Drafting is a a technical skill that you probably CAN learn on your own, and it sounds like you have a good start on knowing what goes into building a home. Partnering ASAP with a good residential structural engineer will alleviate your structural concerns. Learning about building systems, waterproofing, insulation, moisture migration, etc. is an ongoing activity. Reading trade journals, like JLC or Fine Homebuilding is important, but you can do that at night. Design is something that you probably CAN'T learn well on your own, and will need to get training. If you sincerely want to be good, you will have to learn about good planning principals (circulation and flow), good proportion, architectural styles, lighting, furniture arrangement, and a myriad of other topics. I am not talking about being naturally artistic/creative/gifted, which might be nice qualities to have, but not particularly relevant. This is more about making additions not look "tacked on," that views and space are optimized; essentially creating a house that is a joy to live in, rather than an awkward and expensive container. I would look for local classes; perhaps there is a design school nearby, even if only an interior design school. You will learn things that will put you head and shoulders above your competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco2017 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I learned priceless knowledge by shadowing a builder. I'm not talking about the owner of the company who sits in an office and makes site visits. I'm talking about the owner of the company that builds the house along with his sons and subs with his bare hands. The framing knowledge alone was a great experience! Just my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
country Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I am with Richard on the design portion of the job. Just because you know structure, the codes and how to use Chief doesn't make you a good designer. Clients will depend on you knowing proper room layouts, traffic patterns, space requirements, balance, style, etc. etc. Read books, take classes, look at designs and above all listen. It is a fantastic job. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 As a drafter who has "discussed" this issue with Richard many times over the last decade I fully agree with his reply 100% to add my own two cents - read every single post on this forum "forever" when I started in 2004 - even before I bought Chief I skimmed the postings for 6 months and I read prior postings also for at least a year back then when I bought Chief I started reading every single post I joined www.ChiefExperts.com I bought books - lots and lots of books check out Amazons used books I bought hundred+ for under $10 including shipping if the newest book is 4th ed buy 2nd or 3rd and if you really find it useful then spend $$ and get the latest edition start learning every day and never stop if a project is in county A then go to their website or call them and ask what they require for a permit set it is different for each and every county/jurisdiction even if the state follows the IRC/IBC I took classes at the local community college under audit status why audit? - didn't save me any money but I didn't have to take the tests or do assignments I didn't have time for but I attended every class and bought the book(s) and did as much as I had time for learn - learn - learn Lew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Lew, While I may have butted heads a number of times with you on other issues, I have always respected your decisions about getting a design education, as well going so far as to join the AIA as an associate member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrscott Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 With those basic requirements you shouldn't have any problems, here to by the IRC codes and have to go before a plan reviewer for approval before construction begins, I supply 4 elevations with any notes that are needed, foundation plan with requirements for my area for frost protection, floor plans, flr jsts sizes, clg jsts, and rafters, a roof framing plan, electrical plans, section details One suggestion would be to get a hold of a set of plans that have past muster with local POA, and permitting authorities. The later are usually very helpful in providing you what they want and expect to see on your plans. In many cases the requirements vary greatly depending on the structural engineer used and or the local sub-contractors hired. The previous advise is sound...jump in and start, and use Perry's suggestion to setup templates. In my area, all homes are built on pilings where the "Foundation" is actually 2x12 stringers on top of pilings with sub floor sheeting. My default framing and structure has the pilings on Floor 1 and the sub floor "Foundation" is on Floor 2. The concrete is not structural and only serves parking. I also use a lot of 3D images and slices of the structure to show clients. Many cannot visualize a plan in 2D or Elevation views so, this is where Chief shines. Use this forum for help...guys like Perry and many others are always willing to assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmyers Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 The encouragement and willingness to share information by those on this forum is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I have designed several homes and remodel projects in which I handed over my designs to a draftsman to draw up for the permit application. Now, I would like to learn Chief and draw for other builders and remodelers. However, my biggest fear is making a structural mistake. Do you have Chief X8, and can you access this training video series ? https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/breckenridge.html If so, try it out, do not be intimidated by the complexity of the model, it's just an assembly of routine features. Keep the plan and your practice plan both open as you progress. I am doing it now as a refresher and getting a lot out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_on_Cape Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I have designed several homes and remodel projects in which I handed over my designs to a draftsman to draw up for the permit application. Now, I would like to learn Chief and draw for other builders and remodelers. However, my biggest fear is making a structural mistake. When I became concerned about structure and starting drafting a lot of engineered wood floor systems I took week long classes put on by some of the EWP manufacturers. Most are online now. Look at the APA website they offer "Wood University". http://www.apawood.org/ When you can calculate loads and load paths you can calculate your projects so there are hopefully no surprises when you send it off to an engineer "if needed". The only time I send anything to an engineer for gravity loads is if a specific building inspector requires it. The drafting part will probably be the easiest to learn, the structural stuff is the next easiest. Lastly is the design talent. That takes a little more natural born talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 When I became concerned about structure and starting drafting a lot of engineered wood floor systems I took week long classes put on by some of the EWP manufacturers. Most are online now. Look at the APA website they offer "Wood University". http://www.apawood.org/ When you can calculate loads and load paths you can calculate your projects so there are hopefully no surprises when you send it off to an engineer "if needed". The only time I send anything to an engineer for gravity loads is if a specific building inspector requires it. The drafting part will probably be the easiest to learn, the structural stuff is the next easiest. Lastly is the design talent. That takes a little more natural born talent. How do you handle lateral load calculations, which are equally important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 How do you handle lateral load calculations, which are equally important? The fact it was not mentioned should give you an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 How do you handle lateral load calculations, which are equally important? Richard: since my clients were builders they handled all load issues unless the permit office wanted engineered info then the builder would sub-contract to the engineer for the appropriate info/drawings sometimes we just added the engineers page(s) to our pages for the builder to submit other times the engineer would send the drawings to us and my partner would do them in cad and then we placed them on our pages send them back to the engineer for review and stamping and the builder would sign and submit Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_on_Cape Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 How do you handle lateral load calculations, which are equally important? In the area of Massachusetts I'm located in we are in a 110 mph wind zone. There is a prescriptive 110 checklist that is acceptable if all items on the checklist are met in your project so you don't need shear wall designs. If something doesn't comply with the checklist then it goes to an engineer to design hold downs etc to bring it into compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Jay: VA did the same with the IRC codes for bracing walls Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 In the area of Massachusetts I'm located in we are in a 110 mph wind zone. There is a prescriptive 110 checklist that is acceptable if all items on the checklist are met in your project so you don't need shear wall designs. If something doesn't comply with the checklist then it goes to an engineer to design hold downs etc to bring it into compliance. The WFCM is an excellent manual if you can get projects to meet the prescriptive requirements. We don't know where the OP is based, but around here, I suspect that maybe only 1 in 3 projects would meet the wall offset requirements, as well as the requirements for solid panels at the corners. We also have to evaluate the seismic loads and compare to the wind loads, and use whichever is higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 He is here in Indiana. I handle most of my calcs, and for residential, we are still on the 2003 IRC with some updated energy amendments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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