HumbleChief Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Should know this I think but can't get the upper deck/room to have a floor when over a roof below. Thanks. Plan here DECK OVER ROOF 1.plan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Tried it with a new plan and could get it to work. Can't figure this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Could it have something to do with the fact that the roof plane below (in your original post) is detached from any kind of room? I spent a little time messing with it and wasn't able to figure it out for you either, however what I did notice was that everything is fine when that roof plane is moved to above the deck. It seems like the roof plane is attaching itself to the "deck" room above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Could it have something to do with the fact that the roof plane below (in your original post) is detached from any kind of room? I spent a little time messing with it and wasn't able to figure it out for you either, however what I did notice was that everything is fine when that roof plane is moved to above the deck. It seems like the roof plane is attaching itself to the "deck" room above. Thanks Michael, Placed inv. walls and defined a room - same behavior. Tried re-building the roof, no change. Not sure I've ever come across this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Thanks Michael, Placed inv. walls and defined a room - same behavior. Tried re-building the roof, no change. Not sure I've ever come across this before. Did you happen to delete and rebuild the roof after doing that to see if you could get it to connect to the new room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Did you happen to delete and rebuild the roof after doing that to see if you could get it to connect to the new room? Yeah excellent suggestion but the behavior is the same with a new roof over that new room. I've attached a vid explaining the phenom and am truly stumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Never figured it out. Thanks Michael. I ended up scabbing on another roof plane to the original, with the original just short of where the deck disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Larry, here is your plan fixed, I built the deck then locked all deck framing and planks then dragged the roof plane back against the wall. DECK OVER ROOF 1 fixed.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Nice Perry! I didn't use a deck because they always give me trouble. Did you notice it's all good except the one railing wall nearest the roof? The roof seems to kill that railing wall as well. Have you seen this behavior before? Is it expected? Not sure I've run into this exact behavior before. THANKS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Larry, here is your plan fixed, I built the deck then locked all deck framing and planks then dragged the roof plane back against the wall. Can you please explain "locked".....I feel knowing that may help me a lot. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Larry, I still don't have acces to Chief, so I can't have a play. But, could it have anything to do with the HEIGHT of the roof? As you drag the roof ridge back, don't forget that the ridge is also getting higher and may be interfering with something else, maybe the deck? To test, try dropping the roof a bit and then drag the ridge back again. Just a guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Nice Perry! I didn't use a deck because they always give me trouble. Did you notice it's all good except the one railing wall nearest the roof? The roof seems to kill that railing wall as well. Have you seen this behavior before? Is it expected? Not sure I've run into this exact behavior before. THANKS!! Larry I really didn't look at anything else and saw what you are talking about, try to drag an extension around the corner, or you might need to use a symbol there. good luck. I have never tried it before just like that. Jon I just locked all the deck framing in the layerset and made sure that the rebuild deck was unchecked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Glenn - yes the ridge eight has an effect. I thought it was the roof in general but if the ridge is dragged lower and the roof still under the deck the end wall regenerates so it IS the ridge height, not the roof in general. Is this a bug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Arrrrgh! I wish I had Chief to play with. Probably not a bug, just the way Chief handles roofs, rooms, walls, etc. There will be a solution that will work. Probably to do with a room definition, wall definition, etc. But, without Chief, I am flying blindfolded. In Larry's vid, as he dragged the ridge, it looked like it was approaching the deck level above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Is this a bug? ...it was sure bugging me for an hour this morning. I ended up patching in a new roof plane and it looks fine in 3D. Might have to fix the framing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Here is a project I did recently. The deck is over the roof. The roof is drawn on level one, the deck on level 2, It did work, I do not think I had to do anything special. The trick was utilizing the ref sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco2017 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Have you thought about having the fine people of Chief Architect take a look? https://support.chiefarchitect.com/home They've solved my problem a time or two. If you (or another user) can't figure it out, maybe they can. Good luck Larry, hope you get it figured out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Here is a project I did recently. The deck is over the roof. The roof is drawn on level one, the deck on level 2, It did work, I do not think I had to do anything special. The trick was utilizing the ref sets. Thanks Scott, It seems like I've done this a thousand times with no problems, but I guess not exactly like this plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Have you thought about having the fine people of Chief Architect take a look? https://support.chiefarchitect.com/home They've solved my problem a time or two. If you (or another user) can't figure it out, maybe they can. Good luck Larry, hope you get it figured out! Sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Scott - in your example the ridge is not as high as the deck. That seems to be the trigger as per Glenn's post and my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Okay, I ain't going to get too detailed, (Perry came up with a solution),........ but....... CA, WILL YOU PLEASE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DEAL WITH THE STORY POLES FOR LARRY? Larry, the problem is with your floor defaults and such. You have admitted that you are having problems with it and this is further evidence of this. Take a look at the pic I have attached..... oh heck, I will attach the plan...... it is too difficult to explain what I did.... but I bet if spent enough time on it, I could make it behave.... look at my pic.... note that my deck is buried into the roof, a more desirable result than what you have...... If enough people are interested, I will do a workshop on the floors defaults and such..... once in a while I have issues, but usually I can muddle my way through it because I KEEP TO THE DEFAULTS...... I get it.... not easy.... bbb for larry.plan.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Scott - in your example the ridge is not as high as the deck. That seems to be the trigger as per Glenn's post and my experience. Nope, I do not think that is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 In Larry's plan when I pulled the ridge lower than the deck all was well. But what do I know........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Okay, I ain't going to get too detailed, (Perry came up with a solution),........ but....... CA, WILL YOU PLEASE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DEAL WITH THE STORY POLES FOR LARRY? Larry, the problem is with your floor defaults and such. You have admitted that you are having problems with it and this is further evidence of this. Take a look at the pic I have attached..... oh heck, I will attach the plan...... it is too difficult to explain what I did.... but I bet if spent enough time on it, I could make it behave.... look at my pic.... note that my deck is buried into the roof, a more desirable result than what you have...... If enough people are interested, I will do a workshop on the floors defaults and such..... once in a while I have issues, but usually I can muddle my way through it because I KEEP TO THE DEFAULTS...... I get it.... not easy.... Scott, Good call and probably true with that plan. I diligently set all my defaults and worked things through using them to great advantage - then - they were all different. NOT making that up. I had 130" default floor heights when I had them set to 97". The upstairs had reverted to all kinds of strange numbers. There was a 69" room height and much weirdness. I went back through and redefined everything back to the original defaults, but the problem didn't change so I didn't think that was the problem. Plan with proper floor heights. DECK OVER ROOF.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Emery Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Glenn is correct, it is the height of the roof. In the attached plan I've split the roof into two roofs, the main patio roof , and a second for the fill framing. DECK OVER ROOF 2.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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