dshall Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 This Is the problem with the way it is set up. It is not easily discernible as to what the extents are of each room. But no problem, I will continue building my silly boxes so I can get an area region that is easily identifiable. Isn't somebody listening at headquarters? This is assembling CD's 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragetoca Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Guys see attached - 3 images showing the same box and with 3 different SF numbers, something is just not right here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I think it's a rounding issue. No dimensions in plan. Unable to check. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragetoca Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Try drawing a 36' x 22' box, add some walls, move them etc - I understanding rounding +/- 1 but 2 or 3? something is not right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_Park Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I like the idea of following the ANSI standard as an option, which I was personally unaware of until now. My question is does that standard work for everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I like the idea of following the ANSI standard as an option, which I was personally unaware of until now. My question is does that standard work for everyone? Discussed at length here: https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/2203-how-is-living-area-calculated/?view=findpost&p=17212&hl=ansi This is the standard we use in our office. I know there are other standards, but I think this one is a good target for CA to shoot for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragetoca Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Doug, We built 150 homes this year (going to 200 next year) and we follow the ANSI standards for all of our sq ft calcs (very common among builders) - This is something we heavily rely on, it affects everything from estimating, purchasing and marketing.Raul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronM Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Here is the reason for the different Living Area numbers with different interior wall configurations. Chief calculates standard area for each room. This number is rounded for each room. Then all the rounded standard areas are added together to produce the living area. It would be better if Chief did not round before adding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I would like to see as many standards as possible calculated and placed in a schedule then we the users can choose we standard we need on a project basis Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_Park Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 If you are aware of documentation of a standard please let us know. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Normally , when a garage is attached to a house the wall between should not figure square footage to the middle of the wall, ever. We never do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Doug: this should keep you busy for awhile many of these have diagrams etc for visual understanding http://www.housemeasures.com/ArticlePages/American-Measurement-Standard.html http://www.amazon.com/American-Measurement-Standard-Residential-Footage/dp/1500866075/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409957638&sr=1-1&keywords=american+measurement+standard FHA/HUD Handbook 4150.2 Fannie Mae Selling Guide October 2013 Employee Relocation Council (ERC) Appraisal Guide http://krec.ky.gov/legal/legal%20docs/calc_sqfootage.pdf http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+ANSI+Z765+standard+for+calculating+square+footage.-a0354182483 https://nationalappraiserroster.com/Resources/Appraising101/UnderstandingMeasurementsRoomCounts/tabid/223/Default.aspx http://www.chicagonow.com/getting-real/2013/05/how-they-measure-the-square-footage-of-your-home/ http://www.ncrec.gov/Brochures/Measurement%20booklet%202013.pdf http://www.scwmls.com/pdf/sqftguide.pdf Thomas, David Hampton. The American Measurement Standard: Calculating Residential Square Footage. Institute of Housing Technologies, 2009. Thomas, David Hampton. Size Matters! Solving the Square Footage Puzzle--Appraiser's Edition. 2009. US Department of Housing and Urban Development. Valuation Analysis for Single Family One- to FourUnit Dwellings, Handbook 4150.2, Sect. 3-3A. Wright, Larry T. Review of Size Matters! Measuring and Calculating Residential Square Footage. The Appraisal Journal (Summer 2008): 285-286. Lew GROSS_LIVING_AREA.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Normally , when a garage is attached to a house the wall between should not figure square footage to the middle of the wall, ever. We never do that. Agree, the wall common to house and garage is the HOUSE WALL, it is not the GARAGE WALL, at least that is the way I always figured it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragetoca Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 What ever room adjacent to the house that is not finished or conditioned one needs to measure to the outside of the wall that is per ANSI standards basically it is treated as an exterior wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hotshoez Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 The current format is "FileName: CameraType - CameraName" The only control the user has is in FileNaming and CameraNaming. However, I would like to suggest that the CameraName not be in the tab, but that the tab should show the CalloutLabel instead. The callout label is auto-generated and can be changed by the user. Typically it is a unique number/letter or combination of 1-3. It is short. I would also like to suggest that the tab NOT have the CameraType in the tab. While it may be helpful, it does not seem necessary. Or does it? If it is required to use a CameraType, a simple 2-4 letter code could be used like PLAN, CLIP, CROS, WALL, PFUL, PFLO, PFRA, OFUL, OFLO, OFRA. So if a file name was a simple project number like 14036, the tab could look like this: "14036: PLAN" in place of "14036: Floor Plan" "14036: CROS-C" in place of "14036: Cross Section\Elevation - East - West Cross Section - C at Great Room" "14036: PFUL-Cam33" in place of "14036: Perspective Full Overview - Camera 33" (Cam33 or Camera 33 are auto generated and can be changed by the user) Or What if after the FileName, the tab was completely customizable by the user and not tied to the name of the camera, but had its own "TabName" in the DBX? CAD Details are simple and short. I am sure there are better ideas out there, but these are mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LevisL Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Todd, I think you meant to post to my suggestion on window tab length! (https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/2899-window-tab-length/#entry24365) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysdesigning Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I am getting the same problem.. out of curiosity, I added a bunch of interior walls in my plan and sure enough the total sq ft INCREASED!!! Somebody mentioned that by adding a wall it would reduce the sq ft because of the thickness of the wall..this is not true.. it INCREASED THE SQ FT. It seems that this forum is only good for reporting "bugs" and issues with this program.. on simple things like this... when ultimately it should be utilized for more complex issues or creative workarounds... WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR CHIEF ARCHITECT TO FIX THESE ISSUES? WHY ISN'T THERE A BUTTON ON THESE THREADS THAT WILL "REPORT" THIS ISSUES AUTOMATICALLY TO THE PROGRAMMERS OF CA???? Why should we have to open a thread to report simple issues like this..and THEN navigate through the website and find the 'REPORT ISSUE TO PROGRAMMER" link and re-explain the problem we are having? Because you know that the programmers sure aren't reading through all of these threads and writing a list of the bugs that there are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 the primary focus of the forum is users helping users CA has stated that they don't read all of the threads on this forum the only sure way to notify them of issues/bugs etc is post in the Suggestions section of the forum or file a support ticket or call them its best to file a support ticket and include your plan that shows the issue if tech support doesn't have a solution then the issue is added to the "database" which has over 4000+ issues from there it is a matter of setting priorities as to when the issue MIGHT be addressed some issues have been around for years, some for a decade some are dealt with in an update or the next release since X7 beta has already started and anticipated for release early 2015 it is unlikely to be added to X7 unless it is "simple" or "critical" there will also most likely be no more updates to X6 Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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