rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) So, I'm attempting to get all these roof planes to meet. If an angle is off when I check 'selected line', I change the angle, then another angle changes! Is there a way to change an angle and tell CA that they have no permission to change any other angle? Ashley close.plan Edited February 12, 2019 by rockyshepheard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief58 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 post your plan so people can take a look at it instead of trying to guess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Have you tried using the join roof plane tool? It will automatically join roof planes and figure all the appropriate angle for you. Select one roof plane edge, press the '2' key and select the other roof plane edge and see what happens. And yes it is considered a common courtesy on this forum to post your plan so people can truly help with your unique situation. Another note if the problem you are posting is truly about using Chief's roof join tool then you really need to watch some videos or check the help files as it's one of the basic Chief tools that you should learn yesterday.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rpadge Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 You cant dictate the angle and the roof slopes, it would be one or the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I just googled "join roof planes Chief Architect" and got these simple explanations.... https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/724/joining-roof-planes.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Rpadge said: You cant dictate the angle and the roof slopes, it would be one or the other Looks like he's trying to specify a roof edge's angle not the slope angle, but could be missing something... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 The plan is posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Yes, I use all the tools except the one that limits angle changes to the line being changed. That function doesn't seem to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 I am only modifying the edge angles, not slopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, rockyshepheard said: Yes, I use all the tools except the one that limits angle changes to the line being changed. That function doesn't seem to exist. Yeah might not exist but not sure why you want to use it? Is the task more complex than joining the roof planes? There are 3 different pitches which does complicate things but have never tried the approach you're undertaking. Can't suggest a method to help with that direction. Good luck. Curious, is that a technique that another program might use? New to me. Again good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kMoquin Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Your baselines are all at odd angles. They should be parallel to the exterior walls if you intend the eaves to be parallel to the walls. Once you fix the baselines the roof planes should join as expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rpadge Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 The angle of the valley is determined the slopes of the 2 roofs, it will be 45 degrees if the slopes are the same, otherwise it will be different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Explain to us why you would draw a roof baseline not parallel to the wall on which the roof sits, in this plan. And further, how such a roof would be framed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I keep preaching this..start with auto-build roof and adjust from there...more often than not you can complete your roof just with the auto-build and wall designations. Here's a plan, maybe it's not exactly what you are looking for, but there is more right than wrong here. adjustments from here should be easy-peasy: this took 45 seconds to accomplish: Ashley close.plan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcowscarnival Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I'm far from even proficient with this program, but with three specified roof pitches, I would go through the effort of setting up roof info in the wall dialog boxes and use the autobuild function. Ignore the main body of the house, and the hip instead of shed at the garage doors, this is how I attempted it. Seems to have built out correctly. EDIT: Deleted my attachment. Renerabbits is the same thing, but better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Hope this helps Quote ...and the pitches are different as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 AFAIK, I always connect the baseline to the outer wall. They just get messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I've done it all and maybe this created the problem? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Here's a handy formula for you when working with unequal pitch roof planes: unequal pitch intersection angle = ATAN (high pitch / low pitch) If the intersection angle (in plan) between your 8:12 and 10:12 roof planes isn't 51.34 (or 38.66 if you're measuring the other way) then you can be assured that something is very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, rockyshepheard said: AFAIK, I always connect the baseline to the outer wall. They just get messed up. Been there done that. You have to try and NOT let that happen. Maybe the vid above helps? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said: I keep preaching this..start with auto-build roof and adjust from there...more often than not you can complete your roof just with the auto-build and wall designations. Here's a plan, maybe it's not exactly what you are looking for, but there is more right than wrong here. adjustments from here should be easy-peasy: this took 45 seconds to accomplish: Ashley close.plan That's how I did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, madcowscarnival said: I'm far from even proficient with this program, but with three specified roof pitches, I would go through the effort of setting up roof info in the wall dialog boxes and use the autobuild function. Ignore the main body of the house, and the hip instead of shed at the garage doors, this is how I attempted it. Seems to have built out correctly. EDIT: Deleted my attachment. Renerabbits is the same thing, but better I stuck with one pitch to illustrate the point, but as you mentioned, would've been easy to adjust the pitch through the wall dbx..and cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 This is a big part of your problem: Note that the arrow showing the slope isn't perpendicular to the 8:12 roof. You need to orient the 10:12 roof to be perpendicular to the 8:12 roof. EDIT: Kevin caught this right away (I was a bit slower than everyone else). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 None of his four pitches have their baselines parallel to walls. Mr Rocky needs some training. And some time with the videos. And a lot of practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockyshepheard Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: I've done it all and maybe this created the problem? Thanks! Much appreciate. My difficulty is there are so many lines that are on top of each, I cannot tell what' going on. Maybe a button that would show only baselines and walls so it would be easy to see if a baseline has moved. Or a way to lock a baesline. CA doesn't seem to be big on locking things. These baselines kill me over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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