MarkMc

Don't know if it helps since I don't have as extensive needs as some and it is another work around but ... I've taken to keeping some text in word processor docs and spreadsheets (depending on need which) -that can be copied and pasted directly into Chief. Word processor pastes as Rich Text, spreadsheet as text- paste special gives you a choice. IF you open a blank Rich Text box or Text Box you can drag and drop into it from an open sheet or doc. OIP fields also allow drag and drop in the DBX. I have a little program called ClipMate that lets me store things in "collections" in a kind of looks like a file explorer. It will copy-text boxes (can include arrow and have macro in it), callouts, schedules (which have a few quirks), cabinets (and likely other symbols), Arch blocks, Cad Blocks. All that is needed is to add Chief to the ClipMate application profile first. Then any of those things can be pasted into Chief as needed (can use hold position as it saves the coordinates) Text can be edited within Clipmate and manipulated in several ways often handy when grabbing from somewhere else prior to using. (been handy for Ruby snippets while I learn that) The only problem with items that are not text that the "Title" needs to be edited in Clipmate to keep track of what they are. They are listed as DataObject and you can't really see what they are, the automatic title is "Other: date/time" I hadn't used it in a while, then started trying it for use with the OIP as I sort out what is best for what I need. Also been playing with keeping some cabinets there to see if that works better than replace from library. Still not all sorted out for me. YMMV

Not sure if this helps .. The biggest use of space by Chief on mine is the archives which is currently 32GB (haven't cleaned it up in a year). Libraries for both X8 and X9 combined are about 20GB. My drive is bigger but currently use 120 GB with both X8 and 9 along with 90 folders in the program files and program files (x86) folder. Only the Chief data folders and TurboCad folders are in the C documents-all other documents point to D. Cleaning up the archives my total would be well below 100GB. I don't use hibernate which saves a little.

I've been using BB as my default printer for everything. Only began occasionally using CA pdf printer occasionally in X9. Only use reduce size if needed.

Dug up a 20 page 24 x 36 bid doc I had on the machine -B & W, no images just drawings and text, no embedded fonts. Looks to have been printed in Adobe on a Mac, original file in ACAD- can't access the DPI setting. File size 17.9 mb Reduce file size in BB came to 11.8 mb

FWIW Took the Modern Bungalow plan Blue Beam 10 mb, reduce file siz went to 3.33 mb Chief pdf-3.69 mb, rduce file size 2.55 mb Images degrade a good bit but lines are just fine. Also ran a test on my one of my own printed at 600 dpi of a 15 page 11 x 17, color, assorted fills some with transparency, half a dozen images in standard render; layout file is only 2.8 mb; references two plan files 39mb and 43 mb. The images I have in it are higher DPI than the bungalow plan so show don't show nearly as much degradation as that does in images. Again lines are just fine Chief pdf file-2.74 mb BB file-5.35 No noticeable quality difference when zoomed in. Used reduce file size on both in BB. Chief file-1.06 MB BB file- 1.29 MB I've got no idea what would happen to your giant files but might download a trial version and seee. Modern Bungalow CA.pdf Modern Bungalow CA reduced2.pdf

Been too long since I used Adobe (back when it was Distiller- maybe 20 years?) to comment on differences. I do a lot more with PDFs than just print so get my moneys worth out of BB - my second favorite program next to Chief. I have used every free pdf anything out there and owned 3 other paid versions besides Distiller before BB. I bought Standard Version in 2010 ($150 then), upgraded once ($90) added a 2nd license with a newer version in 2015 ($250). I see it's gone up even since then ($350). The CAD version only makes sense with ACAD, Revit, Solid Works, and SU-maybe one or two other programs and even then I'm not so sure I would care about integration. (unless it could do layers but I think that has more to do with the program export than integration)

That's odd. I use BB a lot for printing and get larger files from it than I do from Chief's pdf printer? Never had a quality issue either. I may have some setting inside BB higher though since I often have to convert something to an image format and set what I could for high quality. I also use the reduce file size feature a lot.

Polyline fit to the inside, convert to pline solid 1/16" thick top to match floor of cabinet, set fill to match cabinet, move to front group, change to layer base cabinet. While your at it copy and paste in place the pline solid, select it change thickness to match your toe kick, set some ugly color for fill so you can see it, adjust to make to depth you need. You can leave the existing toe in place or not and adjust cabinet. Change fill back to match cabinets and then block the whole thing.

I think in all the time I've worked with Chief I've used them on only one job otherwise just when someone asks one of these questions ;-> In any case I just use the required dimensions. The angle on these are actually off by a whisper at the front.

Or two angled front cabinets, turned and mirrored-fronts are facing each other-side for door so no need to float doors so will change with defaults..... BUT you will have to clean up the toe kick. One version has fronts as blank the other has an opening with the top separation removed.

I gave it a shot and can't reproduce the issue.

Draw the line while using the plot plan annotation set (OOB) then set the text style there so as not to create issues with text elsewhere.

Thanks Graham, will do.

I get a light set so I'm happy with it. Copy and paste-sometimes it will be there in 3d and ray trace, sometimes no light in ray trace (too many lights for it to show in standard) I've had them go away when I just centered them to a cabinet? It seems that they attach to the ceiling? or somewhere else? Sometimes offset from ceiling works, sometimes not, sometimes transform replicate works... How do I get these to stay put? Screenshots- Placed an extra in there for the ray trace out over the counter- that one shows, one under wall cabinet doesn't. Lights.zip

Copy sink to user library- then open symbol, adjust the symbol origin, options and stretch planes-trial and error until it works (learn by doing). Sink placed in the cabinet- custom counter top with adjusted cutout -had to delete the original counter top removed from the cabinet which BTW I did not know or expect but learned by doing. No fillers, no extra separations- just another way to solve it. (I've used the other methods mentioned as well for apron sinks) BTW, if a client wanted aisle spaces that narrow I'd refuse the job-not that you asked.

Nice tip Glenn-works for me- now to add a keyboard for edit RT in place.

I thought about this a bit more, played with a little. Depends on what you need- what I suggested works really well with inset cabinets, not so good with overlay if you want doors and such to be accurate. I tried altering a face a few ways so that the separation did not go to the top of the cabinet-not so good, tried a custom symbol for a stile (stiles DON"T go all the way through a cabinet) also NG. Ended up with two cabinets per attached. (I have no idea why the arch block resizes once the sink is centered in it) If I needed a correct schedule for this I'd export it as dae then import as a cabinet symbol. The only problem with that is once it's imported there is very little you can do with it. Some variations. I saved the plan for my own future use. Split vanity3.plan

I see, the symbol I was using from basic library has origin at 8-7/8" so the numbers didn't make sense to me.

if that is all one cabinet and not two as Eric suggests change the separation to a blank area and it will go away. May have to adjust width to make reveals proper.

I'll go along with 1/2", not 7-3/4 it still needs to be placed into the upper drawer cabnet ..bottom cabinet deleted sink goes away, top drawer deleted sinks drops down to the lower cabinet.

Um, uh, yes, no, sort of-7-3/4 means it is in the lower cabinet. I have no doubt that the sink is set for a 1-1/2" counter and the faucet would look a little better if adjusted by 1/2" OTOH you can certainly get away with the look left alone. I had done it prior to posting-attached -all counters left alone as custom set at 1". left is OPs, center the drawer is set to have a 1" counter, right drawer has no change so set to have 0" counter. sinks.plan

The reason that you had to offset the sink is it is placing in the lower cabinet. Which made me remember that I moved that lower cabinet out of the way before placing the sink into the drawer cabinet- no need to adjust the symbol. Note that there is a difference if the top cabinet (drawer) is not given a counter-the sink still looks as if it fits but is set down by the thickness of the counter so the faucet sits low. X8 doesn't have variable overhangs but the advantage of custom counters is that they can be shown on their own for a counter top drawing. (turn off all layers but cabinets counters and you will only see custom counters- standard ones don't show)

Your drawer section has no counter so the sink is being placed based on the cabinet below. I can only guess you started with a counter on that one? In any case- Select the sink -cabinet will select first, hit tab so sink is outlined, then delete it. Add 1" to the height of the drawer section and then add a 1" countertop. Then add your sink. In general it is easier to start with a counter on the cabinet, then convert it to a custom counter. Often need to open the counter DBX and uncheck set height or thickness from cabinet but still easier to start there. When making custom counter from an existing one I only select a single cabinet's top then resize.

Sure thing Michael, works better than the one I was using, was a good tip.

Not AFAIK. You can download the entire Rev-A-Shelf catalog in 3d DWG from their site but still a pain to convert. I'd make it in Chief -attached is a start and some parts- cabinet with "drawer" symbol is set with method Alaskan Son Developed. You'd still need to add rails to it. I mostly use Hafele so didn't bother to mess with it. Besides, be good practice for ya RAS panbtry PO.plan