MarkMc

Another option, legs are forced over the cabinet, advantage is cabinet height reads correctly in a schedule. More work to create though.vanity.planvanity.planvanity.planvanity.plan vanity.plan

Plan with some moldings I dragged from my warehouse-has one of each- top molding line only which shows one reason I use these to control side overhang, bottom molding line only, top and bottom on the same molding (I only do this if a straight run of cabinets that goes between others). I usually have undercabinet molding lines on a separate layer than tops. Molding line assortement.plan

OK, was just wondering-I moved the my documents folder once on the older machine and didn't realize that it would also move the Chief Data files and slowed things down till I put them back. Those are the only ones that matter with and SSD AFAIK.

Is your Chief Data on One Drive or the C drive -that is the issue, location of plan file matters little.

Another person called me about this specific thing today and I had a plan that needed molding so I did a rare video (rare as in I don't do em so take it with a grain of salt) The end has the start of a warehouse plan for moldings. I mumbled at the end of the vid, the one thing I would like to have available is to be able to place my molding line stacks in the user library. Then I can have them drawn and use replace from to quickly show variations. The ability to drag a profile from the library is great though. I saw your request and I understand you prefer that method. For me I seriously doubt that moldings in the cabinet dbx can be made to work for all of my needs and be nearly as efficient but to each his or her own -that is one of the great things about Chief molding_lines.mp4

Oh I completely forgot why I looked at this thread again-duh. I noticed in the conversation you had with Chopsaw that you placed the file on the desktop. Are you referring to the plan file? My understanding is that the plan file (or any file type you open) primarily resides in RAM and/or in the page file where actions are written. The page file is always on the Primary Drive (C:) The plan file can live anywhere and it will not make a noticeable difference except for opening it to begin with. OTOH-Chiefs DATA files, in particular the UNDO folder and the Archive folder NEED to be on the primary dirve -C: We have experienced slow downs and issue when on one machine I inadvertently moved them to the D: drive. I certainly would not place them in the cloud except to sync with. Then again I have no idea (not qualified) why your CPU is maxing.

I tried your file, I also tried a 59mb file of house fairly complicated, and another simpler but with very complicated kitchen at 30 mbs. During the test I had both those files open along with another 7.8mb file that had one cross section and one full camera open, and a 4 mb file, Firefox (one tab for radio), Directory Opus, and Intellect-second Display port monitor and a DisplayLink monitor. Note that none of my plans have terrain or much framing. I turned auto framing off in all. Delete In plan view was almost instantaneous -max was 0.9 seconds in my 59 mb file. in your file delete was 0.5 seconds. Partly depending on the object to be deleted. (Cabinets were slightly faster than windows on yours and my 30 mb file. Undo in Plan-was about the same. Worst case seemed to hit 1.1 second but was difficult to maintain coordiation with stop watch. In 3D - delete on your plan for columns was 0.7 second, window 2.3 seconds. Undo 3 seconds for column and 3.2 for window. My big plan delete column hit 0.09, undo column delete 4.1, Delete window (mulled with custom millwork above and below casings multiple textures) hit 3.7 seconds and undo was the 4.1 The most complicated objects I could find in the 20 MB plan took less than a second to delete and up to 2.5 seconds to undo-most objects were just over a second for undo. I had auto framing turned off in your file for the above numbers, was a slight difference in 3D little in plan.

I agree that I'd be talking to the maker. As drawn in the original file, with 1/2" stile on each cabinet, I'd get turned down by everyone I deal with. It certainly could be done. I drew them as combined and could get that built one way or another. Since this would certainly be a higher end job I would never have them assembled with 1/2" stiles in the field even if I could. Even with standard stiles on inset we always combine cabinets where possible. Typical limits to combine run from 84 to 96" overall length. (making certain they can be gotten into the space, careful with elevators DAMHIKT) Framelesss inset are common enough in some high end using 3/4" boxes but not common with 1" ply boxes. Better makers will combine. My first choice would be to price 1" frameless boxes ($$) OR as I noted earlier only using drawers and pullouts, 3/4" boxes with 1" frames-no hinged doors-(still combined.) I don't like the idea of packing out a hidden hinge to make it work on 3/4" boxes with 1" frames. Even exposed hinges need to be mortised instead of wrap with stiles that small.

What Eric said-and you're missing the 1" stiles.

thanks

I'm not looking for a texture that is not flat- I'm asking about material or texture that shows reasonably white?

That is absolutely correct unless you are producing a schedule to be used to order cabinets AND whoever you order them from wants them listed individually as "combined" cabinets. I deal with makers who want them listed that way (and one who lists them as the total instead). When we need two cabinets we size each correctly and then force them to overlap so that the sizes read in correctly in the schedule. Note that inset cabinets with 1" stiles as drawn it's likely that something out of the ordinary be done to make hidden hinges work. Even exposed hinges would require specific ones to be used that are not all that common. The only inset with 1" stiles I've done had ALL drawers and pullouts which avoided the problem- we did the wall cabinets as full overlay. I'd talk to the maker to make sure I was happy with how that was being done before going too far.

Graham (and Rene) this and the last thread have both been great. I haven't had a lot of time to use all of this yet since I don't use RTs to sell a job. I only do them later in the process and at that I'm more interested in decent and fast than super realism. To me, since I provide product, super realism can become a dangerous can of worms so we always approach RTs with a grain of salt when it comes to the relationship to real life. When Thea was first being marketed to Kyrathea users I snagged a copy since the price was good and figured it would be good to have in the toolbox. Eventually I came to think otherwise and have not used it in years. Anyway the current status of work is not quite up to using all the tips but I have played a little and this has been an enormous help. Question- what are you using for ceiling texture? The other question is that Chief places a light source at the ceiling that I can't access and often creates a glow in the middle of the ceiling. How can that be gotten rid of?

Contact support- I don't have a problem doing it-at least not to this point.

Certainly is, that never occurred to me. I'd think of that as a sub-category. Here that is done in both Open Office, then in WordPad, then in Chief. I didn't try Notepad or another "plain text" editor. I thought that "text" in Chief was just that-plain text? I see there are a few variations and don't really know the difference but I have a hunch that the word "text" has been expanded (bastardized) in some programs to mean something more to some folks than it originally did. I don't know if the same goes for Rich Text. I looked into that and again there are some flavors depending on OS. The last Microsoft Spec is from 2008. That appears to list the ability to have sub numbering/categories in relation to "Headings" which we don't have in a dumb RT box. I think it worth noting that "Rich Text" does NOT mean results will or should be the same as one gets from a word processor or a DTP program. Even though some formatting can be created in a word processor and pasted into an RT box retaining much of that formatting so long as you don't edit it. I've been creating some things in a WP and pasting into WordPad for many years now to gain formatting not available there. I use that to have a file that opens extremely quickly for reference use-like the attached list of keyboard shortcuts.

Not sure what doesn't work?

I've taken to only using framed in the DBX, for frameless I just use a 3/4" frame. Some advantages when hacking cabinets, a lot easier when the client changes things, started doing it when I took on a frameless line that uses 5/8 sides (metric something I think?)

Use molding line NOT polylines. Polylines are boxes-closed objects. If you switch to molding lines instead of as part of the cabinet they will show in plan view as long as that layer is on. They will be on the molding layer by default, so you have to turn that layer on to see them in elevation or in 3D. What I do- 1)-Snap to one corner of a cabinet and pull a line that is longer than the cabinet to make it easy to see and grab until I have molding on it. (NOTE that if you have a molding selected in the library and then start to draw the molding line it will automagically use that molding making live a little simpler:) BUT if you just grab a molding profile from the library and drop it on the plan it will be a polyline instead of a line) 2)- then adjust the moldings height to be equal to -the height I want it to start at PLUS the thickness of the floor. (someday that will change I hope) (NOTE- Chief OOB defaults will set the floor for a kitchen to be 7/8" even if the rest of the rooms have a 1" floor total. Now I have yet to run into a kitchen where the floor was lower than the rest of the rooms-more often taller. I set all of my floor thickness to equal 1" in the defaults for my templates. Makes the math simpler and as I said closer to IRL) 3)- add any other moldings and adjust height- adjust "extrude inside polyline" if you moldings are on the wrong side of the line. Once drawn. The little square at the end, pull it back to the cabinet corner until it snaps. Then grab the little diamond and drag it to back to the next corner-etc until you have the moldings everywhere you need them. To avoid having to redo the moldings if you need them elsewhere in the room-copy and past to a blank area, select a segment, right click, "disconnect selected edge"- move that out of the way. Delete the rest of the copy. Copy that single molding line anywhere you need it and proceed to fit to the cabinets. I keep molding stacks in a "warehouse plan" for future use. I keep 6 ft lenghts and paste a little cad detail next to that is a section thought the molding stack so I know what it is. I have some named by customer, some named by the molding and brand, and keep them organized by height off floor and ceiling height. Using this method when it comes time to order you can select each line, open the DBX and read the total length of the moldings. Add em up and then add for cuts and you now know how much molding to order. Attached in a zip file is a macro I use that counts cuts and then adds in for cuts to get a total length to order for each molding line. Once imported into the plan use for the label of the molding line -it reads in number of feet how much you need to order (slightly generous but better safe than sorry) Molding Order.zip

Perhaps? what the OP is looking for is the ability to enter a second carriage return (or backspace and then carriage return) to create a new paragraph while continuing the original numbering. This can be done in most word processors and DTP progs with an extra click to "continue numbering". If I had to do that for some reason I'd either use a WP and copy past OR in chief RT box change the line spacing at that line to create the paragraph spacing. Just guessing though.

I had an issue the other day, not quite as bad as what you describe but worth a look anyway. I was suddenly getting extreme lag shortly after opening if more than one tab open (SOP). Was getting to the point of unusable and seamed to only be in Chief. It looked to me to be a mouse issue, checked drivers and such, ran scans. Finally searched on mouse issues-turns out I had moved the USB port my wireless mouse worked in. I saw reference to that wireless mouse connections being too close to wifi, router and the like. I moved the USB back to the original position and the problem went away. Note that it could also have to do with my moving the USB I used for a DisplayLink monitor and the system may be confused but again it was just about only, or at least far worse, in Chief. May be useless but all I've ever run into.

Perhaps the easiest of Michael's suggestions. This was done with molding polyline- I used regular polygon based because your images appeared that way. I might be inclined to use one of his other methods depending on what the actual construction method. I remember back when I was in school someone had made domes as refugee housing down in South America with a machine that extruded foam as it rotated. (turned out to be a problem with water and vermin that one though).. Domes.plan

No those are the only FB items I've used. I use Hafele for LED applications but even then have had very few really suited to that kind of accent lighting, clients didn't go with it anyway. I know 2020 has added some sort of cabinet light system,yes? and they have a Hafele catalog. Not sure if it has lights from them (or legs and stand offs)

attached plan has a couple of Federal and one Hafele but most are the hidden ones. Easy enough to make em. brackets.zip

Trick is to close the layout or it will reference the new plan.

Send first plan, close layout. Reverse plan, "save as", open layout, copy paste in place first layout view to new page, change referenced plan to the "save as" plan. If you already have all the layout boxes sent then just do a save as for the plan and change half of them to reference one plan and leave half to the other.