MarkMc

Must have been doing something wrong when I tried it earlier.

plan attached with floor in two directions- open the materials dbx for each to see-look at ALL tabs.For vector view change the pattern directions as Graham suggests. TIle -you can only change tile size pattern by switching to custom pattern and changing the scale- gets very tricky-see tile on wall. For symbols and materials (and most anything else) I like to use the reference manual as opposed to just videos. floor.plan

Screen shots are limited by the monitor resolution but the dpi and overall size can be enlarged in a photo program. Ray Trace allows you to set DPI and to set total image size either by pixels or by inches so the only limit is time.

Got it, ctrl alt c; sticky mode, PP-click, -then for subsequent copies PP (my shortcut key) pick the "from" point and then pick the "to" point- go on all day long if you want. Added the circles-those worked exactly as expected. ctrl alt c, sticky (zz), pp, pick point from, then just click multiple "to" points and centers all copied where I wanted.

Well I may have found a bug in it. Copy and paste (ctrl + at +c) sticky mode (ZZ on my machine) them P to P, just continue to click on the next point BUT see below. Check pages 171 and 172 in ref manual. The bug is at least with cabinets so far-select cabinet, do the above, P to P one corner to another- just fine. Select second corner and I get a mid point snap.?? Checked preferences and should not be happening.

I think he multiplied that. In any case- I use copy paste in place (CP on mine) constantly with reflect, center, PtoP and transform replicate. But thought I'd take a look at the reference manual (I love that thing The attached was done without copy and paste in place-two clicks for the first copy, one click for each subsequent copy all done P to P. I kind think this is the function you're after?

Here is update with fillers done similar to how you were looking for the last batch. Note the reason to take the trouble to make the ones on the right side of each pair shows with the doors off or open. Blind 2.plan

Here are two ways to add filler overlay directly to the cabinet- depends on how fussy you want to be with detail. Since I most often need the overlay as a line item in the schedule I add it manually. Just happens I was working on a blind with an extra door panel and was getting fussy-hence the one to the right. That is the sort of thing I will keep in the library to avoid doing over. The "door symbol" used on the one on the right is placed on the floor- worth opening that to see how it works. Blind.plan

What Michael said- I keep some standards in the library but often just make em on the fly-split vertical-blank area-ez.

Johnny's comment got me thinking about something I left out- collaboration. Not that CA is perfect at it, still better than the alternative if you know how. IMO the questions should not be "does CA do pricing?" rather "can CA help me make more money?", "save me time?" Absolutely. Consider that the national average closing rate for walk-ins is 33%, in my tracking web based leads close around 10%, home shows are about that too but for referrals from professionals closing rate runs 80-90%- and pros are repeat business !! I tell architects "think of me as an extra pencil" , make contractors happy with clear drawings so their crews work faster and avoid mistakes, even export to SU for some contractors to use with clients, not to mention show consumers more than they typically see from my competition. Better drawings, clearer detail, easier installs all keep those professionals coming back AND I get better work because of it. I may be a better designer because of it too. (FWIW-I was laid off end of Oct. '09, started my business Jan '10 on fumes, got CA Dec '10. I wouldn't be here if not for pro referrals/repeats, certainly would not be doing as well without CA.) Yeah, yeah, ra, ra .. but if you look back to the old board I was more than a little po'd at them in '11.

Thanks Michael- will try the macro later tonight. Not sure I understand the use of "schedule" for a page table- but then my Ruby is pathertic Already did the text box, doesn't break the lines where I want. Spaces work but it doesn't update live and I have several of these on current layout which is why I wanted a macro. Wondering if A-I put the text with line breaks all into a macro B-then just place the macro to the page title- which results in the text formatted to two lines-then the line break might not interact with the cells?. If I can figure that out then was thinking I could do that with each of the titles I need into one macro-then figure out a way to call one or another or just comment the ones I don't want out. More than I know how to do even if possible so would take me a while to sort-could be useful in the long run as I've used these titles before... but not got the time to go into that rabbet hole right now. Will see. (wish I understood Ruby better, always impressed at how quickly you picked it up. My only excuse is age but then Yoda is olderndirt)

I want two lines in the title on the layout page. I want one cell in the page table, prefer one line in table but would settle for two as long as it's one cell. If that can't happen I'll use spaces as you submit OR over write with a text box on the layout page.

I showed what I want, two lines in one cell.

Yes- tried every variation you guys posted. No borders may be an option. I get the same result that way as using the macro. Hoping Michael has some magic- else it's add spaces OR no border OR change the size of something (nah) OR paste a text box over that in the layout page since the page table reads fine.

Eric- Above is what I asked for in the first place. I want to add a line return to the page information like this where it shows up in the layout page like this I'm beginning to think Michael is correct, the only way to do what I'm after is with spaces-which is a trial and error PIA where I started.

Here is with no macro- as close to this is what I'm after, will settle for two lines on page title in the same cell.

I'd settle for that if it's the best I can get. I need the return to fit well in my pages SO I'm placing this in the page title not in the page table. AFAIK I also used two tabs? "\n\t\t" as in last screen shot.

I want to keep it on the same line, I also don't want it to expand into space- here's what I get with "\n\t\t"

Just went to my page table and using any version of the macro mucks it up- makes whatever is after the return macro move to the page column while creating a new line there. Any way around that?

Fairly big difference in performance between the two machines listed in my profile. I had my assistant running X9 on the 15" until he moved and he was ok with it- better than his MacBook- it's now my backup. I found it a bit slow but I don't behave well when working-multiple tabs/views in chief with several other programs open-hey I'm working. Granted the newer CPU benchmarks about 25% higher and the SSD's are faster. Here is the comparison of the two gpus in my signature-you can put in your own choices to see the difference in numbers (still a challenge to translate to real life ) http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-980M-vs-GeForce-GTX-670M Notebookreview.com can be a good place to sort out value but can be a bit to wade through- lot of gamers so some things don't apply. (one thing I have seen in the current crop-the 1070 card is a better value than the 1080-YMMV.) I've avoided, and will continue to avoid, 4k monitor on the laptop-I don't want to take a hit for the GPU overhead on a day to day basis. I use 3 screens working and a 4th with clients all 1080- been fine. Someday I might get an external 4k but would get one at home to watch Planet Earth first again YMMV. If I were in the market for a machine and could possibly wait 2-3 months I would, interesting new stuff coming. In construction, or any type of fabrication, materials are always cheaper than labor. In this line of work tools are always cheaper than labor or overhead. I simply spend as much as I possibly can afford (which means how much I can convince the CFO (wife) to allow.) The two machines in signature -bought the 15 Jan 2013, the 17 March of 2016-3 years apart-first one was $2k, second one I had worked out to $2600 intending to get longer life from it but the CFO kept saying it was $3k when I gave her the price so I changed a few things presto. I don't use a desktop. So the 15" breaks down to $55 per month until I upgraded, cheaper than rent ( or what most folks spend on phones). Upgrade a 3yo desktop CPU and GPU runs $700-1000 -( maybe throw in an SSD perhaps the single best value in upgrades?) still the MOBO, RAM speed, remain the same. If budget wasn't there I'd take a serious look at used/refurb/closesouts that came with a warranty. Years ago I had done that twice with success.

I only use laptops and usually plan on spending 2k, more if I can at the time. It is my primary business tool. Still you can find 17" w 4gb vid cards starting at half that, with 1060 cards at 1300. Here's a place I've used and a list of 17s with at least 4gb. http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-gaming-laptops-ct-118-96-98.html#!/dir=asc&mode=list&no_cache=true&order=price&size=13&graphicscard=170-162-171&p=clear

I tested it' easily repeatable.

It does if you make it from a cabinet and don't convert it to a symbol- but you have to change the Z origin. It also should if you keep it as 3 pieces and the top is a sink but again you may have to fool with height. It does not if you make it from 3 pieces and convert that to a symbol. I save all my symbol plans so would add it there and make a new symbol, few minutes.

Larry didn't know why you wanted to make it from a cabinet just answered that. There is no way I'd be making the cabinets themselves as part of the top. (see the ps) . I really don't want to have any more complicated cabinet configuration than I have to AND I want accurate schedules. I like Eric's idea of using a symbol, and took it that you just wanted something you could resize. I see no reason to use three pieces though. One waterfall symbols and separate cabinets will be the easiest to adjust in the long run. As to accuracy (which I simply specify with the counter people in English cause that is all that counts with them) I haven't really cared about the miter detail, that said I just took a few minutes and made one in psolids from 3 pieces, converted to a symbol. As to the cabinets themselves: Often when I have things overlap I just send the offending item off in some direction with TM by 110- 200 inches..whatever. Resize what I need and then send it back. Once back P to P, center, and TM all work even with overlapping items. In this case it doesn't appear to be needed. I changed the waterfall symbol to the counter layer. Placed cabinets in plan, resized the counter, and moved it into place. BUT THEN I copied the whole thing, resized the counter smaller, placed a few lines at the ends and turned the layer off, then simply altered the cabinets in place, no need to move anything away. (If that counter was a cabinets it would need to move away) So pics attached, and guess which one is the symbol and which is the solids in the vector view. PS- I went to check the last one of these I did, used 3 pieces but it looks like at some point in all the revisions I got fed up and stopped making the sides. The design group for the job was client, his wife (didn't agree), mother (housewife designer who liked to go to parade of homes), mother in-law (had some friends who did a kitchen), interior designer, architect, and innocent bystander (me). There were more revisions to cabinets and appliances everywhere with at least 7 variations to just the island. After the final drawings were done, the architect who told me to locate and spec the skylight changed it to two skylights, centered them on the room and had them framed and installed -then sent me a layout for the kitchen to deal with that had 30" work aisle between the island and the oven (since island was centered between skylights and there were cabinets on only one side wall the other being windows). I want things as easy to adjust as possible.

IMO at this time there is no need. I can likely get pricing from Chief as quickly (maybe even faster) than I could from 2020 once I have to check it. One of these days I'll finish my label macro's and maybe do a vid (though I hate vids shame I couldn't manage to do it at the UGM then again need more than an hour). People just have to get over the idea that they need it the way they get it now. Besides there is so much more involved that is important and CA does more. The last BIG issue for me is changing brand and cabinet construction. Edit to add-If someone has 2020 (may need to be with a dongle) you can use it for pricing. Just select cabinet schedule in Chief, ctrl+C, paste into spreadsheet, then copy paste items into a 2020 "item list"- though I prefer on line ordering systems where it is just drag and drop instead.