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Better post a plan-I'm not getting that in X11 and checked in X9 and not there either.

Most you can easily get is a 1-1/8" recess (I use 3/4 myself) recess bottom.plan

I've been using a Leica and the Spectre laptop for about 2 yrs now. Started with a Disto X3 then moved to a 7500i. Mostly I use X9 for site measures so I don't have to switch license. When I have needed to swap license it's EZ, and if I forgot before leaving I just do it on my phone. Leica Disto Transfer app works with Chief on Windows but could be a pain to switch Chief versions. New version of the app appears easier but only used it once so far and that was with upper version of Chief and may just stick with that and transfer as needed, like I said it's ez.

I should mention an alternative that I've used with a brand that does not support 2020 and doesn't have an online ordering system. I first used this method when I was using 2020 for a brand that had an awful online system and where I could not trust 2020's pricing. Set up a spreadsheet template to look like the companies order form-include formulas to multiply price per quantity and to total columns across sheets. Then just uUse the schedule, copy, paste special method to enter into that sheet (or drag and drop if you can't figure out paste special) Get all info into the spreadsheet template then just look up prices in the brands PDF catalog. It helps if either that catalog has really good bookmarks or you have a way to add your own. There is a variation where you paste into a blank spreadsheet as an intermediate-sort by label, look up pricing and enter it into an appropriate column then sort by number and copy and paste into the spreadsheet order form. This allows you to look up prices by group-base, wall etc. but I rarely bothered using it. I used this for the brand that I sold the most over the last few years, was quick enough to keep me happy-30-60 minutes per order with LOTS of mods. With any of these multiple monitors helps.

@Gravity58 When I used 2020 for pricing, which was pretty rare- In Chief: have a library of cabinets for each brand that used the correct nomenclature. I would design with the generic cabinets from the build menu to get sizes only. Then used "replace B 16 1/2from library" to place the brand specific cabinets. You could also use drag and drop from the library if you prefer, just a bit more time consuming (I use hotkeys for the generic cabinets. Your library of cabinets does not need to include every size if you set the labels to read the cabinet sizes with built in macros. Nor does it need to include the entire catalog. Just the most common and time consuming to configure-drawer bases, trash PO, other PO, micro cabinet, oven, fridge cabinet, side & end panels, oven cabinets, pantries, sink bases.... I set many at 15" wide since I rarely use anything narrower. Ovens, large drawer bases with mods, etc are set to the narrowest size I commonly use. For those cabinets where I typically have modifications I include those in Custom Object Information fields. For any mods that are common to ANY cabinet those are also in the OIP field and deleted if not needed. For instance I always use Flush Finished sides on exposed ends. So every cabinet in my library includes that mod for BOTH sides of the cabinet. I just go around and delete it where not needed. (Better to have an extra than to miss one, faster to delete than type) Use a cabinet schedule kept in a CAD detail (not in the plan) with appropriate columns to be printed. When it comes time to use the info in 2020: Go to the schedule and remove all the columns that are not needed. Typically you end up with number, label, mod, side finish (use a custom OIP for that), sometimes hinge though I rarely use that. After removing un-needed fields select the schedule, copy. Go to a spreadsheet and use paste special. Go back to Chief and Undo to restore all fields. It will take a bit of fiddling to figure out how best to use paste special in the spread sheet-there are posts by me back a ways in either Tips or Symbols on how to set that up. NOTE you can use a simpler version and just grab the labels without the mods-that makes pasting a no brainer. Now in 2020 Open an "Item list" (having set all your design pricing parameters already) Lock (protect) the spreadsheet page Place the spreadsheet either on a separate monitor or on right side of your screen, and 2020 on the primary monitor or the Left side of the screen. Click a cell in the spreadsheet to highlight the label, drag over to the item list- Not the plan view-2020 will look up the price if you have the correct nomenclature IF it is off it won't. Extra spaces and such create problems. If you have mods in columns you can crag those onto the selected cabinet. Editing quantities in the item list is easy enough so do that there rather than trying to move it over Some things you just have to add manually or go through some other hoops -i.e modlings don't appear in schedules in a format that works (solution is a longer story-for now figure it out and add them) In at least one of the posts I made in the past there is a video on doing this. Few years ago and I'm not much for doing vids so YMMV but worth a look. Finally- I said that I rarely used 2020 for pricing. IF your brand has an online ordering system AND that system supports drag and drop (most do) you can use the same method to enter into that which is far more accurate and saves a step in the long run. All this may sound a bit daunting but to encourage you. I can design faster, better, more accurately, with far better finished drawings and renderings in Chief than in 2020. Once you have cabinet libraries set up getting the pricing is very quick I could move a typical kitchen from Chief to an on line ordering system in between 15 minutes and half an hour. I had one hi-end brand who's on line system was more complicated where this did not work as well but then again they stopped supporting 2020 years ago.

Not the best example IMO. So far I've never had a counter guy using a computer and laser get it right when install came-never. The best templates I get are from the guy who shows up with sheets of foam core and a matte knife-perfect every time. But hey- I use a laser and laptop for field measures now and get it to work fine and fast.

You can make a 1" door symbol and use it no problem. Set the depth stretch outside the symbol or it will change to 3/4" The sides are a different matter. You need symbols specific to the sides. Samples included of two methods- Likely fastest is using auto panels- full depth, full overlay BUT make a door symbol the correct depth-say 25", offset the X axis by 1/4" (I never remember which direction) and lock the width by setting stretch plane outside symbol. Looks as if you get away needing only one per depth. I had typically been doing these with side panel applied in which case I needed a left and a right and for every depth. 1in sample.plan

LOL-I only know maybe 6 of those :) IRL-in real life; YMMV your mileage may vary-my favorite is DAMHIKT-don't ask me how I know this:)

This helps a bit. The part that makes the biggest difference is the light adjustment. I alter rope lights to spots and adjust. I didn't drag mine out, just had a quick play with yours and microwave light. Fiddled more with the stove area where rope lights are placed at front of cabinet which is what I have done IRL. I also purged and merged plan materials-only matters a little just good housekeeping IMO. I'd likely be starting from a clean template and importing what is needed to avoid all the extra odd materials listed there. YMMV Adjusted.zip ADDED- if you don't want to mess with spots for rope lights you can also increase the spacing between to say 6" and bump lumens to 2.5, then move light to front of cabinet. Easier to control the lights and improves performance.

Using Tommy's suggestion build your own per your manufacturer and your typically used cabinets. It's a good learning experience though time consuming at first. With CA you will not need as many cabinets as you would find in a 2020 catalog since resizing in CA is faster than drag and drop. Few tips- build your library cabinets in a single file and save it keep a folder somewhere that you will save library and symbols items plans you create for future use make use of the object information fields in the cabinets to speed up creating schedules, simplify ordering and cut down on typing. I work under the principal that it is faster to delete text than to add it so every library cabinet created will have whatever common modes it "might" end up with (like both sides are finished and delete what is not later) Set anything possible to "use default" before adding to the library (materials, doors, drawers) so you can change defaults instead of each cabinet.v (exception to #5 would be things like a 3 drawer base where you want the lower drawers framed but the top a slab. Then set top to use default and specify the lower) Once you make a library for one brand/box construction you can usually adapt it to another to save some time. Don't try to build everything the mfg offers-look at what you use often and stick to that. In time you can add special cabinets either to that library or a general one for oddities. I design with just the cabinets from the Build menu (using keyboard shortcuts) as place holders. Once I have an idea where everything goes and what sizes are THEN and only then ...I use replace from library to access my cabinet library replacing what needs be with those I've made. Attached is plan with just a few sample cabinets (note I normally place the cabinet schedule in a CAD detail not in the plan as done here) screen shot of a basic library builder plan. Sample cabinets.plan

You can change how labels show based on what layerset is used. Macro placed in "specify label" field, custom OIP field "status" in this case is either blank or existing, then the automatic label is read from the comment field. There are other ways at it and likely some more advanced methods but this works. Attached plan two couches- label shows for one in all layersets BUT one called "existing", label for the other only shows in the "existing" layerset. Open em up and examine, macro attached for import. label for existing.plan label change.json

Multiple cabinets for each custom countertop. Can also be done with custom curved doors but won't look correct in plan. (sample included in plan) Ogee cabinet.plan

Go to plan defaults, set reference grid to 1/2", turn off grid snaps. Trace and let it snap to the framing, use the arrow keys to move it the 1/2" for the sheet rock.

Open cabinet on left has custom door symbol that inserts into the back of the cabinet- rotate Z axis of symbol, include a back set apart from door and offset y axis-front is just open, open cabinet on the right is the just an open framed cabinet with separation dimension to match door and cabinet reduced by reveals. A lot faster but won't read correctly in the schedule. Either one will resize and move as a single unit though

SSA won't transfer

...and if what you want is the frame to be on plane with the frameless doors just increase the depth of the cabinet

Search the forum, lots of info on laptops, computers, stress test. If using a laptop you need one that is not prone to thermal throttling since Chief is highly CPU dependant. A quick search turns up quite a few complaints about throttling on those machines. Check what clock speed your CPU is at when running Chief, might be an issue.

Looks good Joe. Guess you're waiting for show wall finish?

Well the face count for every door symbol would multiply dramatically. Download a LA Cornue range from the 3d Warehouse and import it as is to see how face count matters. At some point we get into 2020 territory. I realized that the above is wrong, face count doesn't change. What would need to happen would be a more complex bounding box or multiple bounding boxes for the door symbol.

I almost said that:) As noted in other thread understand how the program sees things, which means try anything / everything with an eye to that not just to where you want to go. Along those lines I use the reference manual constantly.

Add the stack. When reusing you will be able to delete a section if needed.

Meh, computers are not smart. As far as Chief knows the door or drawer is 3/4" thick so it places the hardware in relation to the front of that. I suppose it would be pleased to program doors otherwise but at what cost to performance. I find it useful to understand how the program sees things, then work within that framework, less frustration.

For hardware to sit on a recessed panel instead of rail or stile you need to copy to user library, rename, open symbol, change the Y origin so it sets back however much the recess is.