MarkMc

Meh, computers are not smart. As far as Chief knows the door or drawer is 3/4" thick so it places the hardware in relation to the front of that. I suppose it would be pleased to program doors otherwise but at what cost to performance. I find it useful to understand how the program sees things, then work within that framework, less frustration.

For hardware to sit on a recessed panel instead of rail or stile you need to copy to user library, rename, open symbol, change the Y origin so it sets back however much the recess is.

Specify the hardware for the offending door in the face configuration. It's not your door symbol it's the hardware symbol causing the problem. When you get around to your own custom hardware be sure to test out the symbol origins, in particular on appliance handles.

I create all my symbols in Chief, only use SU to break up found SU symbols. To make that out of faces first make a psolid, size to suit, convert to solid, then to faces. Faces allows you to have different grain directions. I make ALL my own door symbols so have no idea if any have shorter horizontal rails though I'd guess that there may be some. There should be a post somewhere I made in Tips? or Symbols on how I make door symbols that includes some parts to get started. Basically I start with a wall cabinet, 3/4" deep, framed construction. Set rails and stiles to desired width, back and sides as opening, side panel inset for the panel.

Attached fresh plan -cabinets on left have separations made using doors inserted into the back only. Symbol included on floor. Cabinets on the right are done using Mick's idea of shelves with custom symbols for shelves. Took some trial and error to figure out the Z origin for each. The down side to using the back is when you resize the depth of the cabinet you need new symbols AND auto labels are off (I don't use those anyway though but it does mess up one label macro I had) Using shelves for the separations will resize depth fine downside is new symbols if you need to alter the top drawer box height. examples of each all the way to the right and shelf symbols included. Suggest opening each cabinet DBX and examining fronts and back. Then open each symbol (open symbol not open object) and examine those. This sort of hack is something I use for lots of things- extended stiles, side extended back, extra control of toe spaces, alternate finish interior...lots. Worth learning.I don't really consider this a work around, rather a great tool Chief gave us that is fun to abuse :) no front separations.plan

Yes. Open the cabinets in the plan I posted and look at the backs. They have a custom door symbol used as a side panel inset. The door symbol has the depth locked to go to the front of the cabinet, and the origin changed so that it does. They are what shows as the horizontal stretchers. The only difference I suggested today was to completely eliminate stretchers from the front. If you need more info I'll be at a computer tonight.

Well there's nothing to let go of in 2020 now is there Last I knew 2020 did not produce editable cad elevations as dwg? I consider myself a wiener about stuff. I asked for variable reveals for several years when I first started and that was back before the work around I showed was possible.I used to make the faces and reveals look correct using traditional overlay and then a separate file to get the correct openings, eventually I decided that was scratching stuff that didn't itch. Bottom line is every custom maker and every contractor I've worked with has been thrilled with the level of drawings I give them thanks to CA. With every maker I've ever worked with, (and when I built them)-everything revolves around opening sizes and each has thier own standard reveals. They all want opening sizes from me for anything not standard, if I want different reveals or things to align I specify that. It is then the responsibility of the maker to do it correctly. IF I send in all sizes for everything then it is my responsibility if something doesn't add up...hopefully I get a call. I thought of a simpler way for you to get both (just in case you're using the Material list for your door and drawer sizes?) You can set your doors & drawers to finished heights using the front configuration and use "blank areas" for reveals. Then use side panel inset to place separations in the back so the openings are correct. The problem is that the front will NOT affect the back so if you change something in one you have to remember to change it in the other.

Chief doesn't do variable overlay which is what you are asking for-it only does reveals. So sanely working with it you can have either accurate reveals OR accurate boxes. The only way to get both is hacking the cabinet per the attached. I no longer bother with this and settle for accurate boxes which is what is needed for production. In the truly rare case (like once every ten years) that a client gets antsy about reveals I'll then show that for them with inaccurate boxes-not with the attached hack. Want both- pay for it, use something different, see someone else.... cabinet reveal and box match.plan

Check reference manual starting at page 758, railing follows stairs.

You set it in the nVidia control panel, manage 3D settings, programs. Select the Chief exe file by navigating to it. With the advent of Optimus on laptops Chief doesn't always display that correctly; I think because Windows reports the Intel card. Also usually some of the ports for external monitors, maybe even all of them, will use the Intel card regardless of what you try.

The other thing is it looks to me as if the op has locate center checked for cabinets, fixtures are a completely different setting. I never use the former, always use the latter.

Just keep an eye out, often on sale for $170-190. Think I paid 165, Saved me that much in the first 3 months, doubt I'll upgrade for 5 or 6 years

I use a separate dimension default that only pulls center lines for mechanicals and always an electric plan. I'm a fan of NKBA guidelines but don't like how they dimension. My sets include all they ask for plus, just wouldn't pass the test

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Here's the dwg, try import and see how it goes. A203 DIMENSION PLAN.dwg

Tried this on a set of cabinet schedules by room. Thought this might make multiple schedules faster but alas not so good. Plan with say 50 objects placed at varied times so not in order. Reorder them with the buttons takes forever so reorder them by dragging. Copy schedule, change first schedule to specific room. Paste schedule and change to a different room. Numbers revert to original order and as noted moving by the icon for 50 items is a non starter for me. Too bad.

Nice trick BUT you left out that you have to start with a schedule that first shows objects from all floors, then change it to show just the floor you are on. If you start with a second schedule that only shows objects on a single floor the numbers start over and your trick doesn't work.

See how this is. Converted to dwg then imported. It's not always better than either the original or a png but it's what I use most often since I can snap too it. Caveat some pdfs don't convert well even with the program I use (scanned ones are bad), some require extra clean up, almost all require a little clean up first. In this case there was a single polyine box that needed to be deleted which I did before import. A203.plan

So where were you when we were trying to solve this for someone on here. Michael had not luck and tech told me it couldn't. Tell me what needs to be done to get the output to read properly in the schedule. The macro evaluates correctly, just not in the schedule. I could see using this in a different situation if it would work or I wouldn't have bothered calling tech. Sched number macro.plan

I keep all schedules in a CAD detail. Use one schedule, be sure to include a column for floor and keep an eye on number order. Send to layout page for Floor 1, crop so it doesn't show floor 2. Copy, go to second floor page, paste and hold position, then adjust to show only header, copy and paste in place, adjust second copy to show second floor align to header. Joe a few months back we tried on here (and I contacted support) to use a macro that added to the schedule number -does not work. The macro executes before the schedule number.

Deleting objects has no affect. Deleting textures does. How far upstate? Middle of Hudson Valley here, though movers are here today and will be homeless for 3 weeks after this Friday then back near here-New Paltz.

1-used "framed" and set your separation and reveal, It's a lot more flexible. There will still be a ghost line on the side of the cabinet as if the side separation was 19mm, PIA but nothing to be done about that. All other separations will be correct. 2-Not as easy-has to be done placing a CAD detail into the elvevation. For shelves use a layerset that shows only what you need just cabinets and shelves, doors and all else hidden, have the cabinet layers show as dotted lines (OR convert the shelves to dotted lines later.) Take a CAD detail from view. Select that, copy, go to elevation "paste and hold postion" NOte thaqt the CAD detail is not live so if you make changes you have to do it all over. Good idea to have the CAD detail on a dedicated layer. 3- The heights will be equal to Opening plus overlays. I never remember exactly how Chief determines the overlay for drawers so when I have to set this up I take an elevation and place dotted red cad lines at the heights I want the face items to fall. Then take my best guess assuming that overlay is always split equally, (separation minus reveal at top, half that elsewhere). then adjust the face until things line up. Once set make it the default and write is somewhere (I save a screen shot of the DBX as a stickie) for reference so changes can be made with simple addition/subtraction. Then if you're younger and smarter than me you can remember what/how CA decides overlay and let me know. Then we'll hope I remember :)))

Yes. Don't check 'group similar ". Will be easiest if first floor windows are placed first, program numbers by the order placed BUT you can always drag up and down in the Schedule to renumber or use the icon to do it.

Dimensions will snap to ends....AND center of object IF you have centers checked in locate object (I never do for cabinet) They will not snap to any face part. The only way for that is with a CAD detail. I just note in an OIP field face sizes if needed.

Makes sure a face is defined in CAD AND a different material is assigned to it. Chief understands faces and materials for symbols, not layers. Often 3D dwg files are missing faces. If they are not defined as a face then no material will be assigned to it. Whenever possible life is easier importing almost any format other than dwg for symbols.