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  1. Anyone else experiencing strange things happening to their files "while they are closed". Twice that I know of now and in as many days, I have reopened a properly closed file to find significant changes happened to my file. The last things that I placed are still there, but other things have changed causing even more things to disappear. This morning's revolve around wall types changing. (Arrows) Level 1 walls of a specific type were replaced by 'attic' walls that are of the '8" Concrete Foundation' type from Level 0 - or with original wall type. The correct wall type, a new one I created just yesterday, is still in the system and not all of them were changed (see circled 'green filled' walls). Because the wall type and 'attic' change occured, the corresponding rooms were lost and any doors or windows in those walls are also gone. As are any associated dimensions. This also really messed up the as-built file that spawned todays Scheme 1 file. It was my only record of indoor measurements taken on-site (the first time this happened and first time I used X12 for as-built). To that end I will be printing pdf files of plans as soon as I am 'done' with as-built measurements and may consider doing as-builts in earlier versions. No one else has access to these files. X12 file from the start. Happened on two different PCs to the 'same' file. Second one was a Save-As of the first. Both times to some of the last items adjusted and typically surrounding wall types or locations. Note: in as-builts many things are adjusted vs newly drawn so the first time there were significant changes. Not just happening to 'new' wall types. I'm presuming it has to be something in how X12 stores or refreshes the wall types upon closing or opening. I will be opening a technical problem report.
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    Missing standard Chief Linetypes in X12

    Thank you all. I'll look into it the next time I'm at the drafter's locale.
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    Missing standard Chief Linetypes in X12

    Those folders, while all the subfolders and names are there, there is no symbology. These names also don't show up in the standard linetype choices in the standard dbx. I am not at his machine so no snapshots. But envision opening a line, selecting linetype, and seeing only the 20 Basic linetypes available. And yes, it appears these folders may have been 'moved' or copied to a folder called CAD under the User Library but I can't verify that until Sat. evening. These core directories should be recoverable.
  4. One of my drafters has about 7 of the original linetypes that come with X12. Is there a way to reestablish the default linetypes, hopefully without reloading the program. I can't export them out of my X12 unless they are mixed with other sets of things. He had a folder in his user library called CAD that had all the missing ones listed, but nothing was assigned to the names so still no linetypes. Thanks for the help.
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    Earth Fill? and 3rd party files

    OK...too long staring at the screen... In CA's unknown wisdom they changed EARTH to WEAVE. Not nice to fool with an old man's brain like that.
  6. (x11) When I open an object to fill (closed polyline etc) I have a standard list and the library option that takes me to Chief's library. It currently only shows that I have patterns of my own making in User Library. It also appears that I can no longer open 3rd party .pat files as I could in earlier versions. And finally, I cannot find a basic EARTH pattern in the defaults. So either I somehow purged some of the patterns or there isn't a default EARTH pattern. And how can I import my earlier .pat files? Not sure if this happened after installing x12 or if it is just this one file. Not using x11 but to finish out this project.
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    3D Viewer doesn't display Reference layer

    Bump! This is an important issue for helping clients view their entire project. It isn't working 'out-of'-the-box'.
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    Point Cloud import is the future for As-built

    Hover doesn't appear to do inside dimensions. A point cloud file is measurable between any of its millions of points. And these measurements can be taken while in any "2D" or "3D" view because each point has x,y,z coordinate values. So the accuracy of your scanner contractor is important. Scans at inaccuracies greater than +/-1/2" will not be a good value. If the point scanner 'saw' the interior items you wish to measure, you can. And even answer esoteric things like: how far the bed is from a dresser or window... That chandelier hangs how far from the cathedral ceiling... The fence was how far from the corner of the house... the tree's caliper size, height, dripline... Was it a 3-3/4" crown molding or a 5" and what was its profile? How big was that owner's cat...
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    Point Cloud import is the future for As-built

    If you hire a scanning firm, you can bill them out with mark-up, make a profit and still be working on other projects while the whole house scan is being done. The same goes for the draftsperson/service you hire to 'trace' the point cloud into CA. So the scan and trace take minimal time from you for coordination of the team. Your client gets a thorough scan and as-built of their complete house for less than you can personally do in the same amount of time. And you complete more work in office raising your productivity on other projects as well. Is this more than you need to get the project drawings done? Very likely. Have you overperformed for your client at a lower cost? Most likely. Has it slowed you down or distracted you from your office's total production. Less than likely.
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    Point Cloud import is the future for As-built

    Hover is a good start point for an as-built. It is a true cad model and not a point cloud of course. It doesn't include any topography or landscaping. It offers little for interior remodel needs at this point. It also requires your time to go out and get the pictures unless your client can do it for you. I'm asking for the ability to pull a 3rd party point cloud file into CA so that a drafter can 'trace' in 3D using CA. And a true point cloud is measurable. Each and every point has an x,y,z coordinate so pulling a dimension from one point to another is as accurate as the service you hired. This will make 'tracing' very simple, swift and accurate.
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    Point Cloud import is the future for As-built

    You call out an interesting issue. The Point Cloud will definitely show the items that are out of whack. Your as-built will have to have some kind of key that describes how you are going to show what and where the wonky issues are. Until we get spline-based and out of plumb walls. But what you really have uncovered is where the issues are and how big a problem they might pose to your client. This way the client isn't 'surprised' by the contractor's change order because something isn't as assumed because the as-built was 'drawn w/ perfect walls'.
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    Point Cloud import is the future for As-built

    Hi Lew, Another project they presented was of a church's education building that they wanted to alter a few classrooms to get a dropoff counter installed. In 35 minutes the 3rd party $75K backpack scanner they hired was walked through and around the building. They paid $80 for the point cloud file and the entire 3000 sf building was documented. A few more hours and the entire building as-built was done in 3D CAD (Revit). The presenter said he 'runs away' from scans that are 1 or more inches out of wack, so resolution and experience is a must when you have scanning done. But small projects can be cost-effective if you manage it right and have the right tools. A CAD program that can pull in point clouds is definitely one of the right tools.
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    Point Cloud import is the future for As-built

    You should have seen these files. The scan picked up failing/bowed rafters/trusses. It's all in where you take the scanner. An odd space like the dropped ceiling would be easily found and investigated with eyes focused on all the specific/various discrepancies showing up. It will also find walls out of square much faster than hand measuring with. Until costs come down significantly we will always find a point where handwork will outperform technology. But that will diminish along with cost and familiarity. As the scan is doing the measurements faster, you are left with more time for discovery.
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    Point Cloud import is the future for As-built

    May 2019: The Pikes Peak Railroad Station complex was scanned in 3 days. CAD As-built was completed in about a week (two employees). It did take a quadcore computer at least 24 hours to compile the 600+ GB point cloud scan as there were a hundred plus scan locations. They now have a measurable photo record of these historical buildings. 1/2" max variance in accuracy. They hired the $250K scanner @ a "known friend's" deal of $2k per day, high cost, but you can't hand measure a 10+ acre site and multiple buildings in that time frame for that price. This final scan showed stone joints, sagged roofs, railroad tracks, trees, anything that was there at that time. In a photo-realistic file that looked much like a Chief 3D model. Just made up of billions of points where the 'paint' surface was on each object.
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    Point Cloud import is the future for As-built

    Resolution and accuracy is the key to point clouds. Those counter guys are skipping that part to keep files small or using inferior scanners. Whether its a pencil or a computer/laser it's only as good as the operator. In I.T. we called this "PEBKAC" Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.