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Ditto ditto

Listen to Perry, he knows what he is talking about.

And do yourself a HUGE HUGE HUGE favor, go to 3D<3D VIEW DEFAULTS<OPTIONS and check the AUTO REBUILD WALLS/FLOORS/CEILINGS, this will auto rebuild the structure every time you make a change so if you look at it in d you will see the changes take effect immediately without remembering to have to hit the F12 key.

What is the dsh law? Yes, the dsh law, if you have a one story house, have two floors, if you have a two story house, have three floors. In your case you have a one story house, add that second floor, put a new floor above your pantry, make the walls invisible, now you have the pot/shelf blah bah..... whatever you call it, above the pantry.

Had an appointment, yeah they teed off, make the walls at floor above pantry invisible, (normal walls).

Build floor above pantry.

You know what, I can deal with both, niches a little trickier, but still very doable, maybe a 30 second operation. I think there are probably 3 good programs out there that can do what you want. CA, SP and REVIT. If you are asking which program to use, REVIT is probably too much program for you. Now you are down to choosing between SP and CA........ SP users will swear by SP, CA users will swear by CA, so how do you choose? Depending on whether it is an odd year or an even year, CA or SP has the upper hand. I would base my decision on which program has a more active help site. You will never know any program within 3 years, guaranteed. You will constantly be asking questions. You will constantly being learning whatever program you are using. There are guys on this site who I have been following for the last 7 plus years, sharing there knowledge and experiences and they are still learning. So check out the SP talk forum and check out the CA talk forum. There is nothing magical about any of the programs, all we want to do is to be productive and make money. Which program will do that for you? I would choose the program with the most active talk forum.

Nothing you are showing me in the pix would throw me for a loop.

We do a lot of stucco arches out here too. I do not use solids to create the arches. I use walls with arched openings. Depending on the situation, there are several different methods to get what I want. I HATE CAD, so, I do very little if any CAD to get the correct look in plan. I do not know if SP does a better job.

Mike, take Glenn up on his offer, ain't nobody better than Glenn.

Okay, so how did you do it? I think I would of tried an arched window, give it some vertical mullions spaces 2" oc and made the glass material an OPENING, NO MATERIAL material...... I think that would work.

If you do not have plan in layout already, a combo of Jim's Method and KT's method is probably the best. STEP 1: send plan to sheet 3 of layout, go to sheet 3 of layout, select plan, make copy in place (Jim's part), STEP 2: Select the LAYOUT BOX, open dvx, and go to the box where you can specify the page number for the layout box and the copy will move to that page, (KT's part). Repeat, stirring occasionally, let rest and then serve to the printer.

This is a poll:

Why reinvent the wheel. Check this out from the Great David Michael. http://www.chieftutor.com/roof/chad.html

Very nice Jim, thanks for that. I think you and I are on the same page with essentially the same result, The difference between your method and my method is very minor. Because the two angled roofs have a different pitch, this result is either a different eave overhang, or a different roof baseline height. My method results in a variation in the eave overhang, (about a 2-1/2" variation in the eave overhang). You method results in a variation in the roof baseline height for the angled roofs, (very minor but it is there). Also I think your valleys and hip for the angled roofs will not meet exactly at the the angled intersection of the top plates. again a very minor variation. I would think my method might be easier to build in the field (maybe), but I would have to live with the fact that the eaves are slightly different. Out here with the way are eaves are (sans fancy eaves and friezes), it is not a problem. I think where you guys are you deal with a lot more fancy eaves and friezes so it may be more of an issue. So pick your poison.

How about this, save plan as junk, do a CUT TO CAD, or whatever that is called, now copy the pertinent lines, open original plan and paste in place.

I hate to be a kill joy, but you did not watch close enough. Some of your rafters and a couple of valley rafters will have extra deep bird mouth. . Build able as shown but I bet they did not build it like that.

Interesting, I wonder what would happen if you turned EDIT PLINE PARTS on. There must be a way to convert a spline into something useful. I bet Glenn knows. There must be a way to deconstruct a spline.

P, I opened your plan, did a back clip cross section of the front, turned labels on, I was able to select doors and windows. I select a window and change the height or width in elevation view, I get a 4 second freeze and then I can select another window. It appears we are all having different experiences. My only issue is the lag/freeze time between editing a window and I am not sure this is unique to your file, I have probably seen this with my own models.

Many different ways to build it. Try building with no eave and see what you get. Now add the eave on see the configuration. You will get the little legs I have. Without the funny legs I have, imagine how the rafters will intersect the roof porch beam. Many different ways, pick your poison.

Hey P., I don't have that problem either. Must be something with your system.

Quote See, a joist by definition is a beam, but a series of beams. So why can't we define them as being BEARING.

Thanks P., so weird, yesterday I was using that thing without thinking and then this morning I could not find it.

Yesterday I was looking at a dvx whereby I could specify whether I would get double or single rim joists under walls, now I can't find that. Anybody know where I can specify that.? It feels like I am back in the twilight zone.