waltsyd Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I want to easily flip between several potential porch railing ideas on the same plan. I tried to create different porch railing walls on different layers, hoping to be able to quickly turn on or off the different ideas, but that didn't seem to work. I also want to try different window layouts on a wall without having to maintain completely separate plans for the same building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 FILE>SAVE AS>...railing option A, ...railing option B...railing option C... Pick the one you like, and delete the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 In Chief you dont have layers in which objects exist - unlike other apps. The only thing layers determine in CA is the visual of an object, as objects are actually on each floor - so that is why Joey recommends the save-as method. Although I seem to remember a Chief video where they showed a way to display multiple dormer options - you may want to see that vid. (added - never mind about that video, it appears they too used the save-as method) They then used layout to show pictures of the different versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I want to easily flip between several potential porch railing ideas on the same plan. I tried to create different porch railing walls on different layers, hoping to be able to quickly turn on or off the different ideas, but that didn't seem to work. I also want to try different window layouts on a wall without having to maintain completely separate plans for the same building. This is a great question. I would of thought if the walls/railing were defined as NO ROOM DEF, walls can stack on top of walls... not possible now if it ever was. I like to make my railings out of MOLDINGS, this way I can have 3 different rail styles on 3 different layers, and to be able to see the different options, all I need to do is turn layers on and off. I am not sure why non def walls cannot stack on top of each other, I thought it was possible at one time. BTW, I have had projects where I had a few different KITCHEN ISLAND options. I put each island on a different layer so I could toggle between layers. Very cool..... but apparently walls/railings will give us problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Try creating the new railings with "No Room Definition" each on their own layer. May need to draw them off to the side and then drag over original railing. Make sure the original railing doesn't have "No Room Definition" checked. You should now be able to turn the different layers on or off to show the different railings. Scott beat me to it. Seems to be working for me. Had to manually put in the railing doorway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidJPotter Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I am not sure why non def walls cannot stack on top of each other, I thought it was possible at one time. To my knowledge this has never been true since version 4 to the present. DJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 They don't automatically stack. But, you can drag one over the other using the CTRL key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 They don't automatically stack. But, you can drag one over the other using the CTRL key. I get that, however if I put a railing on top of a railing, and each railing is a little different, one of the railings will take precedence over the other and eliminate the first railing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Not if you put them on different layers before putting them on top of each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Stacking walls has always worked for me and still does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Stacking walls has always worked for me and still does. Take a look at this plan and let me know if you can stack the railings. I cannot. BBB RAILING OPTIONS 3 TOTAL.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Take a look at this plan and let me know if you can stack the railings. I cannot. Haven't figured out why yet, but you are correct. I can't do it in the plan you attached. I can though in a new plan. EDIT: I've honestly never really played around much with this until now as I've always just used the Save As method for creating various options. In the past I've only toyed with the concept for creating demo walls. I'm not sure I want to spend much more time on it as I don't see myself ever using it, but after a little further investigation it seems to work in some instances and not in others or up to a certain point and then it stops working. The factor that defines where that change takes place I have not yet discovered. I'd be curious to know what that is if anyone else decides to dig deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Scott, My railing is white on top of your front railing. Tab to select. Jon BBB RAILING OPTIONS 3 TOTAL.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Scott, My railing is white on top of your front railing. Tab to select. Jon BBB RAILING OPTIONS 3 TOTAL.plan Your white railing actually overrode the room divider below it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Scott, My railing is white on top of your front railing. Tab to select. Jon BBB RAILING OPTIONS 3 TOTAL.plan Jon, if it works for you, great. However I think you will find if you play with it a bit, it ain't too easy to use. Apparently Alaska may be having issues also. Look at my picks, the handrail does not met in corner very wall and also look at the skirt board....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 OK,. Here they are one on top of the other. My railing is white on layer "Wall, Railings, Jon. It has "No wall Definition" checked. The original railing is on layer "Wall, Railings. Opt A" and has "No Wall Definition" unchecked. You can turn the layers on and off to show the railing of choice. Jon BBB RAILING OPTIONS 3 TOTAL.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I think I found the limiting factor. You can only have TWO walls occupy the same space...one normal and one No Room Definition. A second wall of either type (or third wall overall) will override the first. EDIT: Sorry Scott, I realize now that this might have been what you were refering to earlier when you said "I am not sure why non def walls cannot stack on top of each other..." To reiterate though for those who don't know this...You CAN have 2 walls occupy the same space, but you CANNOT have 2 normal walls or 2 No Room Def walls occupy the same space. Only one of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 OK,. Here they are one on top of the other. My railing is white on layer "Wall, Railings, Jon. It has "No wall Definition" checked. The original railing is on layer "Wall, Railings. Opt A" and has "No Wall Definition" unchecked. You can turn the layers on and off to show the railing of choice. Jon BBB RAILING OPTIONS 3 TOTAL.plan Okay, Jon, I hate to be a crabby pants, but I think you are wrong. In this vid I proved that if I put a non def railing on top of a non def railing, one of the railings disappears...... in this case it was your railing....... https://youtu.be/kq20hllpUuA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 this question comes up time and again since I started in 2005 I've had projects where I had to do 5 alternatives a very big PITA to manage all the save as versions a bigger PITA to find a mistake after the 5 clones and to have to make the same "fixes" 5 time CA needs to give TOTAL layer control so walls etc can occupy the same space showing alternatives is a major part of this business Lew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 ........showing alternatives is a major part of this business Lew Yes it is Lew....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Scott I think we are all correct in what we are doing. Michael has the correct answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I think I found the limiting factor. You can only have TWO walls occupy the same space...one normal and one No Room Definition. A second wall of either type (or third wall overall) will override the first. ....... Yes Jon, I think you are correct.... The Alaskan had the correct answer. I think I recognized that also, but I did not put it in words. Thank you Ron and Michael for figuring this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Might it be a Mac thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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