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I have searched for some way to show the posts and beams that are part of my deck rails. Everything looks great in elevation and perspective views but they do not show in plan view. Am I missing something basic or do I have to frame these with actual post and beams to show? Seemed so easy until I started CDs. with complete dimensioning and labels. The day went downhill from there.

I will continue searching for answers to my other problems but I have given up on this for now.

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You may not get everything that you want; but have you tried "show newels and balusters"?

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Thanks Bill. I'll give it a try in the morning.

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I have searched for some way to show the posts and beams that are part of my deck rails. Everything looks great in elevation and perspective views but they do not show in plan view. Am I missing something basic or do I have to frame these with actual post and beams to show? Seemed so easy until I started CDs. with complete dimensioning and labels. The day went downhill from there.

I will continue searching for answers to my other problems but I have given up on this for now.

Great question. I agree with what you have found out. Looks good in 3d but does translate well to plan.

This is the reason I never use post and beams with walls, rarely work well weber translated to plan view.

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Why do they bother showing videos and explaining in a manual if you can't show it in plan? Now I get to do it the old fashioned way that I should have used to start with. A lot of wasted time.

Thank you for the info Scott. Do people that do a lot of CDs have a list of things that don't work for them?

Don't get me started on framing labels that totally obscure the posts they are noting. Something to add to My List. I'm sure there is a way to offset them but.......easier to type it in.

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Great question. I agree with what you have found out. Looks good in 3d but does translate well to plan.

This is the reason I never use post and beams with walls, rarely work well weber translated to plan view.

I never use the post and beams for construction plan reasons too. I do it all manually. It really doesn't take that much longer to do manually I guess because I've done it for so long. By doing posts and beams manually, you can show and dimension anything. I also put the post and beams on certain layers I've made. The girl I work for uses post and beams with the walls because it's much faster in the initial stages, however, when it comes to me for construction drawings, I get rid of them and do it manually.

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Why do they bother showing videos and explaining in a manual if you can't show it in plan? Now I get to do it the old fashioned way that I should have used to start with. A lot of wasted time.

Thank you for the info Scott. Do people that do a lot of CDs have a list of things that don't work for them?

Don't get me started on framing labels that totally obscure the posts they are noting. Something to add to My List. I'm sure there is a way to offset them but.......easier to type it in.

Oh mon Cherie, do not give up on the labels, I will do a quick vid for you.

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Joe's "suggestion" would work for me. Setting them all individually was irritating.

Now if you can show me where to set my 2D beam display as a single line it will make my day.

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Thank you. I searched and searched after I read that Scott and Perry use lines instead of solid beams.

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Scott

I think a video on framing labels would help a lot of users out.

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Very helpful Scott. Never used those labels before. Would love to have the text relocate and keep the offset, and having a leader line would be epic.

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You can also change the "text style" for the beams and post, to get an underline text ( close to an arrow.) or bold it.

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You can also change the "text style" for the beams and post, to get an underline text ( close to an arrow.)

Yes,  I was doing that until recently.....  I kind of gave up on that.  

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If the framer can't figure out that the angled text is for the post,  I need a new framer.

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Thanks for the Vid and the laughter with my lunch. Can't imagine why the text can't be left indexed instead of centre. I guess they wanted it centred on the post!!!

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Sherry,

 

Left justified requires a bit more programming.  Basically all CAD Objects in Chief have their origin at their x/y center.  So it's easy to position a Text Object with center justification.  To left or right justify Text the offset has to be calculated and then also adjusted for the angle. 

 

I really don't think they particularly wanted it centered on the post.  I think they just didn't know that wasn't the right place for it.

 

BTW, although Scott and some others might want an arrow - I personally don't use one and never have, even when using manual drafting.  I am old enough to have done that.  ;)

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......Left justified requires a bit more programming. .......

 

Does this mean we can never have left justified text for our post call outs?

 

 If this is the case,  I cannot imagine they will ever be able to improve the stairs,  left justified text seems so much easier to program than stairs.

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I never used an arrow in my "manual drafting days" either. Never wrote the word post either..... 6"x 6" angled beside a cross block seems adequate for all the contractors I have ever known.

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I never used an arrow in my "manual drafting days" either. Never wrote the word post either..... 6"x 6" angled beside a cross block seems adequate for all the contractors I have ever known.

Jeez Mon Cherie,  you are making a lot of sense.  Yeah,  why do we need the work "POST"?  If you use auto labels,  you are stuck with the word post.  So what is the solution?  You cannot use WIDTH x DEPTH,  because then lumber sizes will not auto revert to nominal sizes........  SO WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? .......  well,  if we pick auto labeling,  give us the size,  LEAVE OFF THE WORD POST,  and if we want the word post,  we can add that into the SPECIFY LABEL box ourselves.

 

Great comment Mon Cherie,  I question why we need the arrow,  and I question why we need the word "POST".

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We have to show along with the post, the grade, #2 #1, and if it has a post cap, and what kind it is, and also what holdown it might have.

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Didn't Joe make a Post Label Macro a while back  ? , I seem to remember another thread on this...

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