Are we getting built-in AI render in Chief anytime soon? Softplan has it already.

[ComputerMaster86]

I must of also tried the following prompt at some point...

 

"Create a HDRI photo realistic rendering. Keep integrity of original image. Do not change any image details. Do not move or modify features. Keep all colors the same. Add natural sunlight. Keep original image Size."

 

[basketballman]

5 hours ago, ComputerMaster86 said:

Here is an image I exported from Chief and tried in chat GPT a few months back...

 

 

Here was the output from chat GPT...

 

 

It added a shingle ridge cap to a steel roof.    It misinterpreted the porch beam and that was a little off.

 

I used "Create photo realistic rendered image. Keep integrity of original image."  I probably needed to use a better prompt.

 

   Yes, negative prompts need to be very specific such as: 

DO NOT CHANGE OR REVISE LAYOUT-WALL CONFIGURATION, DOOR, WINDOW SIZES AND LOCATIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE.

Do not change camera view, angle, field of view, position, distance or aspect ratio.

 

 

[Rich_Winsor]

Here's a thought. Has anybody tried creating

one image using a prompt in lower case and

then run the exact same prompt in upper case

to see if there is any difference in the images if

you yell at AI. 

 

 

[basketballman]

"Yelling doesn't work; I've tried it many times.." 

[Renerabbitt]

So many of these problems would be mitigated by learning some very basic beginner photoshop combined with Krea Legacy. I used NO prompts, none whatsoever, i didnt even have to think about prompting. This edit, albeit not my best, took 10 minutes
 

Source Image

Krea Output:

Masked Area for errors in the AI, things that the AI Changed

Then add a Camera Raw Filter

[basketballman]

But who wants to learn P.S., Krea Legacy & how to place a Camera Raw Filter and then spend 10 minutes waiting ...

            when the right prompt and 30 seconds results in this:

  And the lighting is so much better...

[Renerabbitt]

2 hours ago, basketballman said:

But who wants to learn P.S., Krea Legacy & how to place a Camera Raw Filter and then spend 10 minutes waiting ...

            when the right prompt and 30 seconds results in this:

  And the lighting is so much better...

I don't think one can call themselves a rendering artist if they don't learn at least basic photo editing. You certainly couldn't get into commercial rendering work with FF&E markets without knowing how to mask.
I completely disagree that the lighting is better, your image depicts hard sun lighting with a skyscraper shadow. Things are overexposed and details blown out. A stock home site would reject this image.(I do a lot of stock home image edits)
ALSO
I did NOT want the atmosphere of the shot to change...one of the biggest pitfalls of Ai
You and I my friend can argue to the cows come home. I did not want the sun rotated, or a skyscraper casting a shadow, I don't find that this was that great of an enhancement, I did not want my image stretched, and we both know that ai will fail on a more complicated house in many different ways. I don't find this image to be in the same category of LOD.
The grass, roofs, and battens do not look improved. The backdrop sky is underexposed and looks like a pasted image.
What I DID want, is a true pixel to pixel perspective improvement. Your AI changed the perspective and skewed the image making it ver complicated to material ID or Object ID map(rendering technician must-haves)
You have responded with similar posts before where the Ai changed things. Its far faster to mask them out then go back and forth with Ai prompting
 

Edited 23 hours ago by Renerabbitt

[basketballman]

30 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said:

I don't think one can call themselves a rendering artist if they don't learn at least basic photo editing.
You and I my friend can argue to the cows come home. I did not want the sun rotated, I don't find that this was that great of an enhancement, I did not want my image stretched, and we both know that ai will fail on a more complicated house in many different ways.
What I DID want, is a true pixel to pixel perspective improvement. Your AI changed the perspective and skewed the image making it ver complicated to material ID or Object ID map(rendering technician must-haves)
You have responded with similar posts before where the Ai changed things. Its far faster to mask them out then go back and forth with Ai prompting
Try this one on for size:

Its a rendering from Chief with no post editing. I know what chatgpt will do to it already, masking is the only solution

  For me, the small shift in camera position is well worth the trade off in enhanced quality & sharpness.

  And except for a small camera shift I don't see much that has changed from the original, except for the better.

[Renerabbitt]

1 hour ago, basketballman said:

except for the better.

I am sorry but I disagree. All this did was add a basic filter. Over saturated and black and highlight levels too high.
Shift in camera position wont work for many use cases where we want a material ID or Object ID mask, it has to be pixel to pixel, and that would be one of the differences between a consumer based approach to professional. All of the big firms ask you to provide the mask in a PSD file so things like floor or cabinet colors can be changed by adding hue and saturation masks. This makes it very easy to say, change the material on the floor.
This was 10 min in photoshop. I don't think you will agree that it is improved but this is closer to what the client wanted

Edited 23 hours ago by Renerabbitt

[SHCanada2]

the sales/marketing people I deal with want blue sky and sun. basketballmans has too much exposure where the sun washes out (and why the odd shadow into the street?), but rene, they would think yours is too grey.

3 hours ago, Renerabbitt said:

 

But I'm in Alberta which has the most sun in all of Canada, so maybe they are biased. grey sky here =depressing

 

[Renerabbitt]

57 minutes ago, SHCanada2 said:

the sales/marketing people I deal with want blue sky and sun. basketballmans has too much exposure where the sun washes out (and why the odd shadow into the street?), but rene, they would think yours is too grey.

 

But I'm in Alberta which has the most sun in all of Canada, so maybe they are biased. grey sky here =depressing

 

That was mixing up the points that I was trying to make which is that this image was not for a stock plan site it was to edit and improve an existing rendering which was the call intent of that original post but then I did want to illustrate that basketball man's rendering drastically change the environment. I don't really understand why I feel compelled to fight for what I was trying to explain in a pretty simple and straightforward post which is masking out a problem area of an AI-based rendering would be the most basic and substantial improvement to any rendering and then on top of that at one of the most important aspects of providing rendering services is keeping all iterations of an image perspectively true so that new rounds of edits can be made without affecting old routes of edits. Forgive any lack of punctuation this was voice to text

[GaryVanScyoc]

I do believe in time Chief will have some form of AI 'built in' out of necessity. In the meantime I've been kicking the tires of Archsynth. My first impressions: WOW!! But, along with the wow, there is a certain amount of, "now why did it have to do that"! It didn't take long to figure out, bit of learning curve here to be able to keep Archsynth from misbehaving. An example of the 'wow' factor below. I uploaded a line drawing of a house I'm developing in Chief Architect. I gave Archsynth two prompts: Set in a forest and cloudy day. In 30 seconds I got the result as shown.

[Chrisb222]

The debate is over. AI has gotten extremely better-- fast-- at everything regarding enhancing a basically instantaneous CA Standard or Vector Render, including not changing the architecture in most cases. And it will continue to improve. At the rate it's going I would guess by this summer it will be nearly foolproof to get exactly what you want the first time, even from the free sites. Speaking of free sites, I'd rather not see CA put one minute into developing a built-in AI generator like the SP one shown in the OP-- which doesn't seem to even give you the ability to prompt it-- unless doing so helps increase sales which helps the company stay in business which results in continuing improvements to the software that I DO want.

 

Sure, I post-edit in an image editor, but that's because at this point it's still not perfect and I enjoy doing it. But for most people using this software it would be fine, and spending another second learning just the right way to hold my mouth while I wait for CA to churn out a PBR, hoping it's "good enough" and doesn't look as phony as mine always do, then spend time learning the lighting, settings, and masking techniques I've seen described here, and still not getting the "free" lighting enhancements and extra features like landscaping, wooded mountainous or waterfront backdrops, etc, added automatically.... it's just nuts to not use this technology. And I doubt many of us consider ourselves "rendering artists" or are trying to get into commercial rendering work. I'm also not looking to start a buggy whip manufacturing company, if you get my drift. 

[basketballman]

46 minutes ago, Chrisb222 said:

The debate is over. AI has gotten extremely better-- fast-- at everything regarding enhancing a basically instantaneous CA Standard or Vector Render, including not changing the architecture in most cases. And it will continue to improve. At the rate it's going I would guess by this summer it will be nearly foolproof to get exactly what you want the first time, even from the free sites. Speaking of free sites, I'd rather not see CA put one minute into developing a built-in AI generator like the SP one shown in the OP-- which doesn't seem to even give you the ability to prompt it-- unless doing so helps increase sales which helps the company stay in business which results in continuing improvements to the software that I DO want.

 

Sure, I post-edit in an image editor, but that's because at this point it's still not perfect and I enjoy doing it. But for most people using this software it would be fine, and spending another second learning just the right way to hold my mouth while I wait for CA to churn out a PBR, hoping it's "good enough" and doesn't look as phony as mine always do, then spend time learning the lighting, settings, and masking techniques I've seen described here, and still not getting the "free" lighting enhancements and extra features like landscaping, wooded mountainous or waterfront backdrops, etc, added automatically.... it's just nuts to not use this technology. And I doubt many of us consider ourselves "rendering artists" or are trying to get into commercial rendering work. I'm also not looking to start a buggy whip manufacturing company, if you get my drift. 

  Totally agree with all of the above.

With the changing A.I. landscape ( day by day ) it would be foolish for Chief to get locked in to any specific tool.

 And BTW

SP limits you to 5 a day.

[Chrisb222]

13 minutes ago, basketballman said:

SP limits you to 5 a day.

 

The SP feature shown here looked like a poorly implemented, basically useless feature. Chief, PLEASE do not emulate this!

 

But to add to my previous post, I used AI the other day to enhance a master bath scene and asked it to fix a couple of things that would've taken ages to fix in Chief, and add some bathroom stuff. I got a nice painting on the wall, a towel bar with a towel nicely draped, a little wastebasket, and a TP holder with TP... all for free, and fast! Ignoring this tech is just nuts I tell ya!

[robdyck]

More examples to add fuel to fiery conversation! Awhile back I used google street view to create a backdrop so I could illustrate a home in situ. This process was basic, but it prevented the homeowner from having to make changes to their home because the architectural control board was satisfied with the variation from adjacent homes.

Today, I asked Gemini to improve it.

Here's the original image I created in Chief:

 

Here's my prompt and the result from Gemini (Nano Banana):

In the attached image, I used a google street view to illustrate my project house ( the white house in the middle) in situ. I'd like you to improve this into a realistic scene by improving the landscaping and lighting. The architecture of all homes in the image cannot be changed.

 

 

If you ask me, that's almost unbelievable! That took about 1 minute to prompt and generate. I agree with Chris on this one...if Chief needs to make improvements, they can focus on bringing speed and increased intelligent tools to help with tools related to con docs.

[basketballman]

1 hour ago, robdyck said:

More examples to add fuel to fiery conversation! Awhile back I used google street view to create a backdrop so I could illustrate a home in situ. This process was basic, but it prevented the homeowner from having to make changes to their home because the architectural control board was satisfied with the variation from adjacent homes.

Today, I asked Gemini to improve it.

Here's the original image I created in Chief:

 

Here's my prompt and the result from Gemini (Nano Banana):

In the attached image, I used a google street view to illustrate my project house ( the white house in the middle) in situ. I'd like you to improve this into a realistic scene by improving the landscaping and lighting. The architecture of all homes in the image cannot be changed.

 

 

If you ask me, that's almost unbelievable! That took about 1 minute to prompt and generate. I agree with Chris on this one...if Chief needs to make improvements, they can focus on bringing speed and increased intelligent tools to help with tools related to con docs.

  And you can upscale even further and still keep image consistency ..

 

Edited 11 hours ago by basketballman

[architect]

Artificial Intelligence will still need to be followed up with Actual Intelligence for the time being.
The inability to consistently repeat the same rendering except for what you want changed makes most current AI renderers somewhat unusable.
Looking for AI renderer that will respect/maintain 100% geometry/details of original image but make a great image without a lot of setup/effort.

Eric
x17

[robdyck]

[CoreDrafting]

Chief with AI...

[SHCanada2]

4 hours ago, Chrisb222 said:

unless doing so helps increase sales which helps the company stay in business

sexy sells. That is why some customers go with me. I spend maybe 10 min on their PBRs but they love it. But maybe the competition is coming for me, and I need to spend another 10 min on AI.

 

My biggest beef with any of this is repeatability. With CA PBR, I can go change the cabinets, walls etc, and simply print the layout again and everything is updated. With AI, I have to export the image, goto the AI Engine, tell it the commands, then get the image and put back into the layout and print. Sure I can do it, but I might want to poke my eyes out when I have to do it 50 times a month. I would be happy if CA made the process simpler, but I dont think given the speed and quantity of AI engines, I would want CA to pick a  specific one.

 

So what would I want...maybe that CA is configurable to autsaves camera views to images in a certain directory, and when I am done with the AI render, CA has a button to pull the latest file for each of those directories into my layout. ...or something like softplan has to manage the process...