ACADuser Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I am doing details in a CAD Detail in the plan file. I want to draw in actual size. So when I draw a 12"x12" rectangle & want to add a hidden line (very small dashed line) the start & end segments are too large. Is there a line scale setting for that CAD detail workspace? If not I need a much smaller line definition, but can not create it. I must be missing some critical information. Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Try setting the spacing as 1/16" or even 1/8" to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 Does not seem to help. Is there a scale factor applied to line styles other than layout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 I know you can use the Layout DBX to change the line style look but that is not helping me working in CAD Details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 Here it is in the layout with "Use layout Line Scale" with 1/64 line & 1/64 space. Not too bad but does not help in the actual work environment (CAD Detail) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBCooper Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 If it looks right on layout when you send the cad detail to it, then your drawing scale or page size is probably wrong in the detail. Just open the detail and go into your "drawing sheet setup". Also, the start and end pieces are controlled by your preferences. Take a look at your "endcap printed length" and you can make it smaller if you want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 In the over 20 years I've been using Chief I have NEVER been able to create a dashed line that has small enough dashes for my uses, in Plan or Layout, custom lines, custom dashes, just never small enough. Gave up years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 Good info, I changed the "End Cap" to 1/64 In CAD Detail with the "Show Line Weights" ON it looks good. With the Line weights off it looks like dots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, HumbleChief said: In the over 20 years I've been using Chief I have NEVER been able to create a dashed line that has small enough dashes for my uses, in Plan or Layout, custom lines, custom dashes, just never small enough. Gave up years ago. I'm going to call this the Chiefer Paradox. A situation where you can't achieve Requirement X with the tools given (or at least without putting in more effort than is desired) so you change your approach to alleviate that requirement altogether. If the requirement was alleviated, was it really ever a requirement at all? By the way, in addition to the tips given by @DBCooper above, you can also simply create a Line Style with extremely small dashes: Its all about Drawing Scale, actual Line Style Settings, and Use Layout Line Scaling settings. If you want to see it in plan exactly as it will be printed on paper though: Make sure Print Preview or Line Weights are toggled on when viewing in Plan. I prefer Print Preview because it can be toggled independently in Plan and Layout. I usually don't want to see the line weight in Plan but almost always want to see them in Layout. Set your Drawing Scale in Plan to match the scale at which it will be displayed in Layout Set the Drawing Scale in Layout to 1:1 Make sure to Use Layout Line Scaling for your Layout Box 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tundra_dweller Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Alaskan_Son said: I'm going to call this the Chiefer Paradox. A situation where you can't achieve Requirement X with the tools given (or at least without putting in more effort than is desired) so you change your approach to alleviate that requirement altogether. If the requirement was alleviated, was it really ever a requirement at all? This is perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Alaskan_Son said: I'm going to call this the Chiefer Paradox. A situation where you can't achieve Requirement X with the tools given (or at least without putting in more effort than is desired) so you change your approach to alleviate that requirement altogether. If the requirement was alleviated, was it really ever a requirement at all? Too true and for years I have wanted smaller dashed lines but for some unknown reason I've been creating plans all those years with dashed lines that are too wide. Thanks Michael for reaffirming some pre-existing internal insight. As an aside I can't enter .0001 into either dbx on my system but I guess it wasn't "really ever a requirement at all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBCooper Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Quote As an aside I can't enter .0001 into either dbx on my system... Sure you can but it will display rounded down to 0" unless you go into "number style" and change the setting to display decimal inches in your dialogs. The value sticks but it looks like it doesn't. I think this will happen with any value less than 1/128". I remember back when the dialog wouldn't display anything less than 1/16" which was super annoying. I can't tell you how many times over the years that I changed my design just because I couldn't figure out an easy way to model it in Chief. But then again, I have also changed my designs plenty of other times just because I realized it would be a pain to build in the real world. That must be why none of my houses have stairs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Thanks You guys but I'm missing something and perhaps Alan the OP too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: Thanks You guys but I'm missing something and perhaps Alan the OP too? Most glaring issue right off the top is that you're creating a Line Style in the current plan but then you're selecting the from the Library. Your new Line Style won't be in the Library unless you put it there. It will only exist in the current plan. Also, when you are simply selecting from the drop-down, you're doing so too haphazardly and not deliberately enough. The drop down list order actually matches the order as its defined in the Line Style Management dialog (notice the Move Up and Move Down controls) meaning your TinyDash line style should be the top one in your list and not at the bottom where you're thinking it is. It should be noted that you can view the name of the Line Style by choosing from the dropdown and then floating over the selected Line Style: It should also be noted that you can have multiple Line Styles using the same name so knowing the order or what the line should look like can be important. Lastly, don't forget the importance of setting the Drawing Scale as was already mentioned. This is a huge piece of the puzzle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Oh My Freaking GOD! I/we did it! I/we did it! THANK YOU Michael so much for the kick in the behind to get it done. I kinda sorta knew everything you described but haven't played for so long it all slipped away. I ended up with a 1/64th dash with a 1/64th space and a slightly smaller line weight and that should work for the next 20 years!! Thank you so much again. Really appreciate it. And hope it helps Alan in some way to make the thread highjack worthwhile. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Larry, And just to tidy it up, in your video you asked bout the longer dashes at the start and End of the dashed lines. DB gave you the answer in an earlier post: Quote Also, the start and end pieces are controlled by your preferences. Take a look at your "endcap printed length" Preferences>CAD>Line Properties>Endcap Printed Length. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, glennw said: Larry, And just to tidy it up, in your video you asked bout the longer dashes at the start and End of the dashed lines. DB gave you the answer in an earlier post: Preferences>CAD>Line Properties>Endcap Printed Length. Got it Glenn Thanks. Maybe that will help the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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