HumbleChief Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 https://www.facebook.com/ChiefArchitect?fref=nf Nice feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco2017 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Oh snap I posted this in the chat room. I'm excited for this new feature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Nice ti finally have that feature. I WANT MORE SNEAK PEAKS!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco2017 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 You and I both! I'm extremely impatient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I agree that looks nice - but part of me was hoping for a new GUI overall. Most cad apps are getting away from entering dialog boxes and extra windows to speed-up processes. Its curious why CA seems to be embracing the old. I hate to be the negative-nancy here, but this app needs a GUI over-haul to bring it into the current century. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Johnny - How are the new software programs accomplishing it? ANy links to show what you are talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_M Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Dennis, I think he might be thinking along the lines of the newer Softplan UI, Revit, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragetoca Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I think He is referring to what is called a "ribbon" Autocad and Revit have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Johnny - How are the new software programs accomplishing it? ANy links to show what you are talking about? Here is a screenshot of VW. Notice the tool-pallets on the right...those change depending on my selection of objects. In fact, I can change nearly anything without entering a single dialog box. That saves a ton of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I think He is referring to what is called a "ribbon" Autocad and Revit have it Yeah, Revit and Autocad have it too - heck, MOST apps now have either/or both combination ribbon or floating or dock-able tool-pallets that take the place of dialog boxes. Typically the information changes real-time as you select an object. Here is a screen shot of Revit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
architect Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Funny how many revit forum posts complain about the ribbon interface. Always something to ***** about no matter what you do. I am so glad Chief Kitchen Designer is getting another cabinet tool. Not what I am looking for. (See previous sentence about complainers)..... Still happy to cough up cheap ssa money to Chief vrs ADesk's yearly rip off...... Eric 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Funny how many revit forum posts complain about the ribbon interface. Always something to ***** about no matter what you do. I am so glad Chief Kitchen Designer is getting another cabinet tool. Not what I am looking for. (See previous sentence about complainers)..... Still happy to cough up cheap ssa money to Chief vrs ADesk's yearly rip off...... Eric My focus wasn't necessarily the ribbon - but eliminating so much the need to enter a dialog box to change nearly any data for an object. I can't think of an app I used regularly post Y2K that requires dialogs to pop-up for nearly all aspects of its function. CA doesn't even allow changing line thickness/color without entering into a dialog box and tabbing to another section of the dialog box to then enter the data. If that isn't archaic I dont know what is. CA operation to change line thickness: 1. Double Click Line. 2. Enter Dialog Box. 3. Click Tab Below for line properties. 4. Select Line Thickness text.* 5. Change Text to new line thickness. 6. Click "OK" (enter). Vectorworks operation to change line thickness: 1. Select line options on menu. (click hold) 2. Scroll to line thickness desired. (release same mouse click above) *Note: I know many people have layers setup so they select the layer properties in place - still an operation, and may even need scrolling. Vectorworks doesn't have a "ribbon" but it does contain some data fields in the upper section as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicinus Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The ribbon interface is one thing, I think I read somewhere that it was created by Microsoft in order to facilitate the pen interface of tablet computers when Gates first introduced it, and primarily visual. Modal properties however is crucial, all modern tools have it like 3ds Max, Revit, etc. One other exception is actually Archicad that also still struggle with them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
architect Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I see your points on all the clicks. I was just trying to be a smart ***. (I also see the forum knows how to auto censure naughty words) I did not know references to dogs that were female was naughty these days. My apologies Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
country Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 In Vectorworks I just select a line or other cad item (click) go to the ever present attributes tool (upper left in Johnny's screen shot) and select line type, weight, arrows, colour, fill, hatch, etc.. If you are doing a bunch of the same lines, rectangles, polygons, etc. you just change the attribute selections with nothing selected and then draw as many cad items as you want with these attributes. After, you just return all the attributes to the class (layer in Chief) defaults and continue drawing. Opening the selected item data box and scrolling to do these changes is tremendously time consuming. I am hoping the speed of 3D modelling and (also hopefully) Joey's construction drawing techniques will offset this. Plan Areas can also be quickly calculated by using the polygon tool to group select and draw a poly around the selected exterior walls. Takes about the time to rough in a circle. So simple and all of the info is immediately displayed in the object info box on the side. Nothing to open each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 CA doesn't even allow changing line thickness/color without entering into a dialog box and tabbing to another section of the dialog box to then enter the data. If that isn't archaic I don't know what is. True this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 In Vectorworks I just select a line or other cad item (click) go to the ever present attributes tool (upper left in Johnny's screen shot) and select line type, weight, arrows, colour, fill, hatch, etc.. If you are doing a bunch of the same lines, rectangles, polygons, etc. you just change the attribute selections with nothing selected and then draw as many cad items as you want with these attributes. After, you just return all the attributes to the class (layer in Chief) defaults and continue drawing. Opening the selected item data box and scrolling to do these changes is tremendously time consuming. I think we get so used to doing things one way we forget there's a brave new world out there. I would LOVE the ability to select a line and have all the attributes right there for the changing instead of diving into dbx after tab after dbx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwarch Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 look at you tube link on facebook site the five -12 videos show the new x7 interface going someway towards improving speed/ accessability. wall layers dbx,object eyedropper etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 look at you tube link on facebook site the five -12 videos show the new x7 interface going someway towards improving speed/ accessability. wall layers dbx,object eyedropper etc Here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el6IB4-fDrw#t=65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_Park Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I agree that a modeless interface is better. It isn't particularly easy to retrofit in Chief, although it is easier to do now than it was before we released X6. The importance of this is a question to ask. Is it more important than fixing stairs or live updates to layouts or making framing work better? It is a question we have to answer and so far the answer seems to be that other things are more important. But I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I would vote to fix all the things that need "fixin" then go modeless Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
architect Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Scouring the videos for signs of exciting new buttons to push for architects I see none. Looks like x7 is the year of the kitchen designer. See you next year..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 To me the ease of which all tasks can be accomplished should take top priority. It forms the very basis and foundation of the program and will have a cascading, beneficial effect on all other features. If that looks like a modeless interface then so be it, but if it looks like a better idea that your team comes up with then even better. So to me ease of use is priority one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 Scouring the videos for signs of exciting new buttons to push for architects I see none. Looks like x7 is the year of the kitchen designer. See you next year..... If I were a developer at CA I would be VERY, VERY curious about what this customer is looking for. Curious enough to contact them personally and see what, as an architect, they are looking for then implement something that gets them closer to becoming or retaining them as a customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragetoca Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I agree - coming from Revit, AC or ACA the GUI makes it feel like a downgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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