RobUSMC

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This is not causing any issues but just curious. Why are there duplicates of the same materials in the plan material list. If its the same material, shouldn't it only be shown once?  See attached.  Thanks 

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Chief doesn't combine like-named materials. You could have two completely different material definitions with the same name - it's up to you to keep things organized. Personally, I prefer this behavior: I use generic terms in most of my room finish schedules, e.g. "tile", "carpet", etc. - my intent is for the owner to make the actual product selection; but in 3D I may want two rooms with "carpet" to visually appear to have different styles and colors of carpet. Maybe there's a more elegant solution, but this is my current workflow.

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2 hours ago, RobUSMC said:

This is not causing any issues but just curious. Why are there duplicates of the same materials in the plan material list. If its the same material, shouldn't it only be shown once?  See attached.  Thanks 

Plan Materials.jpg

 

You can hit Purge and any unused materials will be deleted, or select two or more of the same name and hit Merge and they will be merged into one. But as rlackore said it's possible to have two dissimilar materials with the same name, so be careful doing that.

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I believe that this can happen any time you place an object from the library or copy an object between plans.  The program will see if the materials that are used by the object are already in the plan.  The program will look at all of the material attributes and if the material is not in the plan, then the program will copy the material, even if there already is one with the same name.  This can give you two materials with the same name but with different attributes.  I believe that this can also happen if you import any data (like defaults) from a different plan.

 

One way to see what attributes are different is to select both materials and use the Edit tool.  Any attributes that are different should be set in the "No Change" state.  

 

The best way to get rid of the duplicates is to use the Merge tool. The merge tool will keep the first material in the list, so if you know which material you want to keep, you may want to rename it so it appears first in the list.

 

Keep in mind that even if you merge materials, you could get additional duplicates the next time you bring any new objects into the plan.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Dermot said:

The best way to see what attributes are different is to select both materials and use the Edit tool.  Any attributes that are different should be set in the "No Change" state.  

 

The best way to get rid of the duplicates is to use the Merge tool. The merge tool will keep the first material in the list, so if you know which material you want to keep, you may want to rename it so it appears first in the list.

Some good nuggets there Dermot, thanks.
It seems to me that the duplicate materials are not always due to differences in attributes though.  I used to frequently get copies of things that were the same.  I've found that to avoid this happening when selecting materials I should always first go to 'Plan Materials' organize to In Use on top and be sure to select the item that's already shown In Use.  
Maybe I should 'Suggest' this, but it would be nice to have a way to default that view of already used materials when selecting materials, as those few steps of organizing the list I do many dozens of times a day.

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If you find a case where the program makes a copy of a material and the material is identical to an existing material, then please report this to our tech support team.  Please include the plan files and exact steps needed to reproduce the problem.

 

If you would like the program to work differently than it does currently, then please feel free to make a post on the suggestions forum.

 

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43 minutes ago, Dermot said:

If you find a case where the program makes a copy of a material and the material is identical to an existing material...

 

Dermot, this is very easy to do; simply open the Plan Materials dbx, select any material, clip Copy, and rename the new material to have the same name as the copied material. Presto - two materials, identical properties, same name.

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I would argue that the program did not make the copy, you did.  Eyes rolling into the back of my head and getting stuck, again.

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Thank you for all the suggestions 

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I also found that:

(0) Countless times material duplicated, specifically these two: "Color -White" and "Fir Stud 16 o.c"

(1) Sometimes merging materials causes X12 to crash violently. (Offender: Material OSB)

(2) Merging materials "works well" in the material dialog, but as soon as you OK's that dialog you get an error in the plan stating "Failed to merge"  [I am aware they must have been dissimilar]. But the fact is why O why material merging dialog does not report that.

 

Another observation was software had no issues merging "Color -White"'s and "Fir Stud 16 o.c"''s when requested. So they had to be similar.

 

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Me too unfortunately, it seems to me it is mostly the Plan Materials that are initially in every Plan ( Chief Defaults ) but not limited too....

 

ie:

Color - White ( was upto 8 copies earlier today....)

Bone

concrete

drywall

insulation Air gap

OSB

Red5 Brick

Stacked Stone

 

From my current Project - I have given up "merging" for now , it just keeps happening over and over....

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Thank you for all the advice... With all the warnings and unnecessary risk of crashes, I think I will just leave it alone since it doesn't seem to be causing an issue.  I was just wondering why it was like that.

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We have no reports of crashes or any other problems having to do with the plan materials dialog.  

 

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