kwhitt Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I've got an as-built I'm starting this morning. There are several walls with varying thicknesses that I need to connect correctly. I am not so much worried about how they are actually framed, but want a clean connection for my floor plan view. I am wondering the proper way to handle the attached situation. I have drawn red CAD lines to denote the shape I'm trying to achieve. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Kevin CHF_David 1st Floor_AS-BUILT_02-25-20.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 When I try to return the wall in the 3.25" direction, it disconnects from the adjacent walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 All I did was put the offset wall & change the width 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I would just make the wall with the columns 13.5" thick and then create a "Doorway" without casings that starts 3.5" from the other walls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, ACADuser said: All I did was put the offset wall & change the width Thanks Alan. I'll give that a try. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joe_Carrick said: I would just make the wall with the columns 13.5" thick and then create a "Doorway" without casings that starts 3.5" from the other walls. Joe - thanks. What I haven't drawn yet is a pantry behind this wall, so the 13.5" thickness does not apply to the space behind - only the 3.25" projection is this wide. I suspect this projection was scabbed onto the interior 4 framing and was hoping to replicate it the same way. I guess I'll know more when I start laying out the kitchen. I suppose in this case, Alan's method would work and I could always use your suggestion of a doorway. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, solver said: I drew large and then changed the length of individual walls. Thanks Eric. I just stumbled on that technique of over drawing and then adjusting... Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 I got three new issues with this plan. How do I resolve the two circled intersections? I've tried the wall intersection layer tool, but having no luck. Also, there's a return air vent where marked and the framer used two 2 x 4 studs back to back. Is there a way to get the walls to sit next to each other? I'm having all kinds of weird things going on when I pull the outer wall over. I will remove the drywall from this unfinished area, but wanted to know the process to keep CA from joining these walls. Thanks again, Kevin CHF_David 1st Floor_AS-BUILT_02-25-20_V2.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I joined the 90 deg walls first & the dragged the odd angle wall into them. Double-wall, make the southernmost a wall with NO room definition CHF_David 1st Floor_AS-BUILT_02-25-20_V2.plan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 For the double wall, the lower wall should have drywall on one side only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 hours ago, kwhitt said: I got three new issues with this plan. How do I resolve the two circled intersections? I've tried the wall intersection layer tool, but having no luck. Also, there's a return air vent where marked and the framer used two 2 x 4 studs back to back. Is there a way to get the walls to sit next to each other? I'm having all kinds of weird things going on when I pull the outer wall over. I will remove the drywall from this unfinished area, but wanted to know the process to keep CA from joining these walls. Thanks again, Kevin CHF_David 1st Floor_AS-BUILT_02-25-20_V2.plan Do you know about the "Edit Intersection" tool? I think this is all you need to fix these "intersections". Also...double click the wall icon, open "general wall"...and change the resize about surface. I find this helps quite a bit when trying to get intersections like these to work the way you want them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 17 hours ago, ACADuser said: I joined the 90 deg walls first & the dragged the odd angle wall into them. Double-wall, make the southernmost a wall with NO room definition CHF_David 1st Floor_AS-BUILT_02-25-20_V2.plan Thanks Alan. I've tried that a few times and my wall dimensions change. When I attempt to correct their size, the joint breaks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 17 hours ago, Alaskan_Son said: For the double wall, the lower wall should have drywall on one side only. Thanks Michael - will try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 15 hours ago, SNestor said: Do you know about the "Edit Intersection" tool? I think this is all you need to fix these "intersections". Also...double click the wall icon, open "general wall"...and change the resize about surface. I find this helps quite a bit when trying to get intersections like these to work the way you want them. Steve - thanks for the input. I do know about wall layer intersections, but not really sure what I'm doing in this case. I've watched Chief's videos on the subject using X6, but they don't really go into a lot of explanation. You wouldn't happen to have a video on your YouTube page, would you? I believe I have watched all your videos and don't recall seeing one. Is the goal here to miter the wall layers or connect them in another manner? Resize about Inner Surface is my default setup as I do so many as-builts measured from the interior. Thanks again for you help. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 15 hours ago, SNestor said: Do you know about the "Edit Intersection" tool? I think this is all you need to fix these "intersections". Also...double click the wall icon, open "general wall"...and change the resize about surface. I find this helps quite a bit when trying to get intersections like these to work the way you want them. Steve - When I select the smallest wall, I get 6 edit handles (image attached). Are all 6 of these handles specific to this smallest wall or do they pertain to the adjacent walls too? Sorry, but this is confusing to me and I can't see clearly what to do in this case. My first thought is to create a miter, but moving the handles does not produce this... Help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 5:30 AM, kwhitt said: Steve - When I select the smallest wall, I get 6 edit handles (image attached). Are all 6 of these handles specific to this smallest wall or do they pertain to the adjacent walls too? Sorry, but this is confusing to me and I can't see clearly what to do in this case. My first thought is to create a miter, but moving the handles does not produce this... Help! OK...made a video. Hope it helps... The wall layer intersection tool isn't that flexible...as you will see in the video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 hours ago, SNestor said: OK...made a video. Hope it helps... The wall layer intersection tool isn't that flexible...as you will see in the video. Wow. Thanks Steve. I definitely have a better understanding of how the tool works. Putting some transparency on the framing layer really helped to see how CA was creating the intersections. Again, the video is very much appreciated. Kevin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 A couple other little tips: 1. You can always build walls out of multiple walls sandwiched together (not overlapping but sandwiched). You can have a framing layer only wall and a drywall only wall that wraps around all those goofy problem corners. 2. Don’t be afraid to simply use CAD masks were necessary. You can just match the wall fill and use the invisible line style where necessary. It’s really easy to spend a ridiculous amount of time trying to force a unique scenario to model perfectly when in reality it doesn’t really matter for anything except one or 2 views. Spend two hours making the model perfect or spend three minutes and get the job done? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said: A couple other little tips: 1. You can always build walls out of multiple walls sandwiched together (not overlapping but sandwiched). You can have a framing layer only wall and a drywall only wall that wraps around all those goofy problem corners. 2. Don’t be afraid to simply use CAD masks were necessary. You can just match the wall fill and use the invisible line style where necessary. It’s really easy to spend a ridiculous amount of time trying to force a unique scenario to model perfectly when in reality it doesn’t really matter for anything except one or 2 views. Spend two hours making the model perfect or spend three minutes and get the job done? Thanks Michael. You are correct on all points. I didn't know the limitations of the tool until I saw Steve's video. Having an AutoCAD background, I was hoping for perfect alignment; however, your recommendation of using a CAD mask will do the trick. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/25/2020 at 8:37 AM, kwhitt said: I got three new issues with this plan. How do I resolve the two circled intersections? I've tried the wall intersection layer tool, but having no luck. Also, there's a return air vent where marked and the framer used two 2 x 4 studs back to back. Is there a way to get the walls to sit next to each other? I'm having all kinds of weird things going on when I pull the outer wall over. I will remove the drywall from this unfinished area, but wanted to know the process to keep CA from joining these walls. Thanks again, Kevin CHF_David 1st Floor_AS-BUILT_02-25-20_V2.plan couple of other Ideas to use too..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitt Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Kbird1 said: couple of other Ideas to use too..... Thanks Mick. Learning lots from this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_Gia Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 We need a "polygon" wall tool to handle these types of conditions. The way it would work is that the wall could be manipulated by reshaping the 2x4 main layer like it was a p-solid and then the exterior and interior layers would simply follow/wrap around. They have this in other programs. It's not really how stick framing is built on site and a polygon wall, if we could have one, would be more suited for how concrete walls are poured but I'd be willing to give up the framing integrity for the convenience it would offer. I do however appreciate Chief's approach to providing us with tools that truly represent how we build here in North America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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