HumbleChief Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 11 hours ago, SNestor said: I hate to say this...but, I am not understanding the ref set management/display dialog. Can one of you guru's do a video that shows how/why this is used. I understand ref sets (like we have in X10)...but, not sure I have a clue about this multiple ref set thing. Can you set it up so you can reference (by hitting F9) both a basement level and the 2nd floor? How do you do this? I also just don't understand the dialogue box for the ref sets...so, any basic level video would really be helpful. Thanks! Yeah pretty confusing all around me thinks. There has been quite a loud clamor for multiple ref sets for quite some time and really never had the need for them myself but Chief added some really powerful features for using them with existing plans that could be really great for remodeling with as builts and new construction. Here's Chief's video explaining and did you watch Rene's video in this thread? Hope that helps https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/2442/productivity-features-added-in-x11.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Here's a video from team bone head. I'm sure the experts will chime in with further refinements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Elevations can be referenced as well. Need to learn more about that technique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: Here's a video from team bone head. I'm sure the experts will chime in with further refinements. Larry...thanks. Both videos helped me understand this new feature better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, HumbleChief said: Elevations can be referenced as well. Need to learn more about that technique Its "Ren-nay" but most people just call me Rab or Rabbitt Quick vid about elevations 2019-02-14 09-11-07.mp4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Thanks for the video Rene. The more I learn about the multi ref sets the less likely I am to actually use them - at all. Our current work flow is simply faster and much more simple. Will explore a bit later perhaps when needed but for now, have lost interest...and rarely find Chief's new automated tools faster or more efficient, like story pole and the note schedules and few more I can't think of. I have simple systems that work better for me. A video showing a simple technique I've adapted for elevations new/as builts. Can be modified as needed of course but I have everything in place and the elevation ref sets just make it more difficult, and much less flexible for our current work flow... Not for every one of course but hard to intentionally add complexity to our current work flow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 hours ago, HumbleChief said: Thanks for the video Rene. welcome, this has been a productive back and forth, thanks for your time as well. It's like I haven't fully grasped the weight of these methods to properly convey why I think they are so important. Hard to describe really. My template existing plan has default materials that blank out patterns and grey out walls. I don't ever need to go into a DBX for layer properties ever again! if it weren't for the User Library, I WOULD ALWAYS HAVE FULL SCREEN WOOOOO! 2019-02-14 16-52-05.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Also, being able to keep macros contained to a New vs Existing plans really helps eliminate some difficult scripting. Say you have an existing window SHGC and U-Factor macro- I don't have to mess around with which windows are new or existing, or have to switch default windows etc..., I just get to drop it in a text box and it's done because the plans are split apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 5 hours ago, HumbleChief said: Thanks for the video Rene. The more I learn about the multi ref sets the less likely I am to actually use them - at all. Our current work flow is simply faster and much more simple. Will explore a bit later perhaps when needed but for now, have lost interest...and rarely find Chief's new automated tools faster or more efficient, like story pole and the note schedules and few more I can't think of. I have simple systems that work better for me. A video showing a simple technique I've adapted for elevations new/as builts. Can be modified as needed of course but I have everything in place and the elevation ref sets just make it more difficult, and much less flexible for our current work flow... Not for every one of course but hard to intentionally add complexity to our current work flow. Unless I am missing something, I agree with Larry. Multiple ref sets are great if using one plan file whilst reffing multiple LEVELS, but trying to use multiple PLAN FILES seems to be a “trick” that is more trouble than it is worth...except for a few limited scenarios..... different strokes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 Keeping an open mind and hoping the new tools add productivity to everyone's work flow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, dshall said: Unless I am missing something, I agree with Larry. Multiple ref sets are great if using one plan file whilst reffing multiple LEVELS, but trying to use multiple PLAN FILES seems to be a “trick” that is more trouble than it is worth...except for a few limited scenarios..... different strokes.... I think the one time I will will most commonly use other plans is to replace the current "As-Built CAD Mask". This way my mask stays live if I have to make any changes to the As-Built, besides that though, yes, for multiple floors... and for Grid Lines. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 Here's a use for ref sets from an external plan that we will use immediately. Might be what you are referring to as the"As-Built CAD Mask" Michael? This will save a lot of steps to create that 'mask'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 10 hours ago, Alaskan_Son said: I think the one time I will will most commonly use other plans is to replace the current "As-Built CAD Mask". This way my mask stays live if I have to make any changes to the As-Built, besides that though, yes, for multiple floors... ..... Yeah! Now you're talking! I will check out Larry's vid. Hmmmmm, does that mean the demo plan is the ref set used for the proposed if I want to see how new relates to existing. I have talked to a few heavy hitters and we all agree this is probably the best release we have seen. A lot of little paper cuts have healed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 Another way we will use an external re set. It looks like other uses will pop up as we get deeper in to the feature...Keeping an open mind..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 hours ago, dshall said: does that mean the demo plan is the ref set used for the proposed 3 hours ago, HumbleChief said: Another way we will use an external re set. another vid! Larry I tried to focus a bit more on the benefit for the roof plan in particular 2019-02-15 10-35-18.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 Nice Rene, Did NOT know we could ref all 3D views as well. And ref'ing the as-built for all of the tech stuff that matters is a really a nice feature. Currently adding capabilities as they come up real-world as you are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 One advantage worth mentioning is that the as built referenced floor plan is interactive. ie, if you open the as built referenced plan file and make any changes to it, the changes are interactively reflected in the referenced plan in the main drawing - no having to go through the process of making a new cad mask if the as built plan is edited. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, glennw said: One advantage worth mentioning is that the as built referenced floor plan is interactive. ie, if you open the as built referenced plan file and make any changes to it, the changes are interactively reflected in the referenced plan in the main drawing - no having to go through the process of making a new cad mask if the as built plan is edited. +1 meant to mention that in one of those vids but good reminder..and all of the other edits you might need to the as built and its layers/sets can be done 'interactively' as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 2/15/2019 at 11:43 AM, Renerabbitt said: another vid! Larry I tried to focus a bit more on the benefit for the roof plan in particular 2019-02-15 10-35-18.mp4 Rene, I think what you have set up is awesome.. I mostly do Renovation design. Like you I go into home with laptop and laser tool and build asbuilt then go back to office and move walls as needed, new cabs , light etc, I have used the mask method for plans but if you are trying to have existing walls and new walls in same plan then they are snapping together and how could you show asbuilt walls in glass and new ones in standard or vector view? great job, I need to chat with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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