ShowmeCHIEF Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Any one know a good method to draw a crown molded coffered ceiling that is vaulted not flat? I am a less than 1 year user of Premier x9. I watched a training video on the flat ceiling method for coffering and pulled that off really well but now I need to do a vaulted and coffered ceiling and the same methods didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidJPotter Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Try these DJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, ShowmeCHIEF said: Any one know a good method to draw a crown molded coffered ceiling that is vaulted not flat? I am a less than 1 year user of Premier x9. I watched a training video on the flat ceiling method for coffering and pulled that off really well but now I need to do a vaulted and coffered ceiling and the same methods didn't work. I think you're going to have to clarify what you mean by "vaulted and coffered". In my book, those are typically used to describe 2 totally different situations and so a little additional information as to how the 2 might be combined might be in order. It would also be useful to know where you would like the crown to go in this vaulted and coffered ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rispgiu Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Are you referring to something similar to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javatom Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 You can not put crown molding on a vaulted ceiling (in the real world). Someone will be along shortly to argue that point but trust me, don't try it. The "tricks" to do it, all look awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowmeCHIEF Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 Here is an image of what I am trying to do, My ceiling is vaulted (less pitch than the roof). anyone know how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtldesigns Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Any Detroit Tiger fan is a fan of mine, but what your wanting to do will take a lot of trial and error.... if its even possible. Its all about the plane. Once you get the plane correct, I think you can then convert to a molded poly. Do you have access to Autocad? Might be able to make a rectangle polygon on the correct plane, then bring it over to CA and covert. IDK.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Here is one I worked on a while back and it was even more complicated than it appears you are looking to accomplish but there were some lessons learned that should easily apply to your build. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/topic/11548-wainscotingmolding/#comment-99539 Symbols may be the way to go but it could also be done with 3D Molding Polylines for the verticals and 3D Molding Polylines with a rotated Molding Profile or even and extruded polyline solid for the horizontal pieces generated from a Placed Molding Profile in elevation view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, solver said: Create your beams and molding in plan view. Convert to a symbol. Rotate the symbol to match the roof pitch. Move into position. This^^^^ is Ed Zachary the first thing what came to mind for me as well. And by "plan view" I think Eric was kinda assuming you would understand this meant you would be drawing it all parallel to the Z plane. Just an aside to that, but I might personally draw all the beams as usual and only draw the trim per Eric's suggestion. That and/or using solid extrusions and boolean operations (could be drawn parallel/perpendicular to axes or not). After inspecting the picture above a little better, I'm really thinking the solids might be a necessity at some point. At any rate, it's definitely doable but it will likely require learning a good handful of other tricks along the way as well. Probably a good exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrscott Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 33 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said: This^^^^ is Ed Zachary the first thing what came to mind for me as well. And by "plan view" I think Eric was kinda assuming you would understand this meant you would be drawing it all parallel to the Z plane. Just an aside to that, but I might personally draw all the beams as usual and only draw the trim per Eric's suggestion. That and/or using solid extrusions and boolean operations (could be drawn parallel/perpendicular to axes or not). After inspecting the picture above a little better, I'm really thinking the solids might be a necessity at some point. At any rate, it's definitely doable but it will likely require learning a good handful of other tricks along the way as well. Probably a good exercise. Yup! Looks like PSolid subtraction operation to me. Could be done but has nothing to do with how it would be done in the real world. If you can’t make it ...Fake it! Kind of Sad really. We can drawn fully layered walls but not the ceiling in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, solver said: If you use sofffits or custom countertops, you can assign molding to them, Just to clarify, this will only work for the creation of symbols as these items can not be used on a sloped ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 So is that all symbols in both directions created from soffits with molding ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Well it all looks great in standard view. Just wanted to make sure you had not found a trick to keeping the molding attached to a sloped Soffit placed under roof because that would be a handy tool if it worked. Maybe even a feature request. Did you try to regenerate the 2D Cadblock after rotating ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Did you try to regenerate the 2D Cadblock after rotating ? 17 minutes ago, solver said: doing so fixed the plan display This was the one reason I thought that the symbol method might be worthwhile. So that you would not have to use cad to draw out the plan view but are there enough snap points that it could be dimensioned ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowmeCHIEF Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 Chop & Solver, thanks for the suggestions here. I,ve only been using Cheif for about 9 months so I dont totally follow but I am going to give a try. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrscott Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, ShowmeCHIEF said: Chop & Solver, thanks for the suggestions here. I,ve only been using Cheif for about 9 months so I dont totally follow but I am going to give a try. Thanks Don’t feel bad, I’ve been using Chief since X7 and I still have trouble. Thank the good Lord for all the Gurus here. BTW, I love your handle “ShowMeChief”. I should change mine to “HelpMePlease”. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just let us know if you need specific clarification on an issue as you go and we will try to help. This is a little beyond the general chief knowledge base or training video's so it is great to see someone like you giving it a try. I just sent in a bug report today on one of the procedures that is a little confusing in the way it functions so that is how the software keeps improving when people like you and your customers keep on asking great questions. If this ceiling is all you need to finish off a plan then it might be a good idea to make a test plan of the basic room size and try out some of the suggested procedures and then you can also post that file or create some screen shots so we can see your progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrscott Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Chopsaw said: Just let us know if you need specific clarification on an issue as you go and we will try to help. This is a little beyond the general chief knowledge base or training video's so it is great to see someone like you giving it a try. I just sent in a bug report today on one of the procedures that is a little confusing in the way it functions so that is how the software keeps improving when people like you and your customers keep on asking great questions. If this ceiling is all you need to finish off a plan then it might be a good idea to make a test plan of the basic room size and try out some of the suggested procedures and then you can also post that file or create some screen shots so we can see your progress. Well said ChopSaw! And yes, a tremendous effort on the part of ShowMeChief (SMC) to tackle such a complex ceiling. Assuming SMC is willing, we could all learn from a step by step with pics. Myself, I would record a video talking through the steps and forget all the text. User could watch and pause as they follow along. As an aside, and given my limited knowledge, I keep thinking how any element we use in a plan can one day translate to a material list. You can go to the lumber yard and order a soffit or a slab or a Psolid. Granted the Chief elements do make a beautiful model, as SMC has demonstrated, but how will Chief these parts in a Material list for pricing and ordering? Again, great effort SMC and cudos to all who helped in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justmejerry Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I would just use soffits to make the parallel with rafters and p solids for the other stuff. Place soffits in plan view to follow ceiling.Then layout the p solids in cross section. Place moulding line for the crown on the soffits and use moulding profile to create a p solid crown for the perpendicular to rafters. Easy to rotate the cad profile before you convert to solid. Should also set profiles where you want them before you convert to p solid or you will have hard time adjusting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 That looks good Jerry, the only thing I would do differently would be to use a 3pc. molding profile rather than the soffits. If I have time I may try a totally different technique later but not sure if it will work until I try. Edit: Sorry that Idea fell flat on it's face in the mud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justmejerry Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I think like Scott. Easy to workaround but then you lose material list tracking for lots of things. Would be nice to create assemblies of some things and rotate a few we can't now. Soffits being one of them. Where is framing for it...magically suspended wherever its placed lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowmeCHIEF Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 Good morning guys, I,m going to work on this today, trying to figure out where to start right now. I think I may find training video on creating symbols, since I have not done that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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