usingchief 0 Posted January 7, 2017 I saw this on Facebook and it seems to be an amazing tool - of course if it works as the video indicates. So was wondering if anyone has ever purchased the hardware / software ? We do a lot of as-built drawings so this solution could be a time saver. Love to get some feedback. Check it out> https://canvas.io Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dssharp 15 Posted January 7, 2017 It would be interesting. I'm questioning if you can do a whole house or a commercial building with this . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRAWZILLA 718 Posted January 7, 2017 I like it, looks great for me, if it works as advertised and accurate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usingchief 0 Posted January 7, 2017 27 minutes ago, dssharp said: It would be interesting. I'm questioning if you can do a whole house or a commercial building with this . Reviews seem a bit sketchy. Doesn't appear to do a whole house - just a single room at a time - but suppose you could stitch the rooms together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lbuttery 166 Posted January 7, 2017 wow, hoping it works as stated Lew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dssharp 15 Posted January 7, 2017 I think it's great for interrior designers and the like. However for asbuilts I'm kinda old school and tend not to trust technology to much. sketching is still best for me . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRAWZILLA 718 Posted January 7, 2017 Chief has room planner for as-builds. Chief has greatly improved it , with wall thickness and such. I think I'll give it another try. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lbuttery 166 Posted January 7, 2017 I'm betting it will be difficult to get the cad file into Chief If it is for one room at a time then it really only serves the purpose of doing room measurements I wonder how accurate they would be ? In 2004 I was checking out photogrammetery software thinking if I bought Chief I could create a fully dimensioned DWG file to import into Chief and voila instant 3D model it didn't work then - gotta wonder about now ? Lew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
payettedesigns 29 Posted January 7, 2017 I am an Android and Windows guy but if I decide to buy an Ipad I might try it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
facer_03 33 Posted January 8, 2017 structure.io This website includes Canvas and other applications of the "cloud scanner" This website shows the full variations that have evolved, including Canvas. Structure Sensor – Capture the World in 3D 3D Scanning. Augmented Reality. Instant Measurements. There are some prices displayed. http://structure.io/uses Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brian-sdesign 5 Posted January 8, 2017 It looks interesting but from what I understand the only way to get this into cad format is to send it in and pay $29 per room. That is a deal breaker for me if its true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobUSMC 29 Posted January 8, 2017 On 1/7/2017 at 1:17 PM, DRAWZILLA said: Chief has room planner for as-builds. Chief has greatly improved it , with wall thickness and such. I think I'll give it another try. Havery you tried using it for initial site measurements then importing back into chief? If it will even do that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HumbleChief 381 Posted January 8, 2017 Great great toy for those fascinated with technology but like Chief's Room Planner no real world application that I can see for a busy, serious home designer. What use is a 3D scan? And then $30 per scanned room to turn it into CAD? Seriously? Where's the market? Who needs this? What problem does it address? The 10 (5 for most) minutes it takes to measure a room? Would any Chief user find this truly useful - in any way? Other than the cool which only costs money for the entertainment? Someday this stuff will be amazing and actually useful, today not so sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRAWZILLA 718 Posted January 8, 2017 Yes Room Planner imports wall and doors ,but not anything else, like cabinets. For as-builts it's pretty good. also automatically inputs measurements from laser measurement devices. I do need to practice more with it though before I actually use it. I have practiced on my own house. I can see myself using room planner, I do need to get one of those portable lightweight laptop tables , just can't hold everything at once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lbuttery 166 Posted January 8, 2017 The 10 (5 for most) minutes it takes to measure a room? Larry: seriously? - not if you are trying to measure "everything" maybe if you just want overall dims ? Lew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny 372 Posted January 9, 2017 I could see this being VERY helpful IF you did a lot of old home remodels or commercial interior design. Its easy to dimension a newer structure for as-built, but older homes with multiple remodels through the years can be unbelievably difficult. ...again, if it performs as advertised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HumbleChief 381 Posted January 9, 2017 2 hours ago, lbuttery said: The 10 (5 for most) minutes it takes to measure a room? Larry: seriously? - not if you are trying to measure "everything" maybe if you just want overall dims ? Lew Seriously. Again, a real world home designer doesn't have to measure 'everything'. That's my point. Real World as builts don't require everything be measured and in 10 minutes, in a single room, you can get WAY more data and measurements than you'd ever need for a real world remodel. Even 5 minutes would be an extremely long time, again real world useful information. Can't see any use for it. It is still very, very, cool. but again who's it for? Home remodeling designers? Contractors? Tech geeks? How about you Lew? When you did real world as builts did you measure 'everything'? And if so, why in the world would you do so? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HumbleChief 381 Posted January 9, 2017 Just now, johnny said: I could see this being VERY helpful IF you did a lot of old home remodels or commercial interior design. Its easy to dimension a newer structure for as-built, but older homes with multiple remodels through the years can be unbelievably difficult. ...again, if it performs as advertised. OK, so let's say you have a 3D representation of a room with 'everything' in it. Then what? What do you with that room's information? What's the next step in the design process? I am all ears/eyes when that gets figured out but for now what could one possibly use the information for? If I am remodeling an interior I need room dims, window locations, door locations, ceiling height - done. Add a few more details for the more anally challenged and you've 7 of your 10 minutes remaining. Someone please prove me wrong and show me how it speeds up my work flow when it currently doesn't need fixing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HumbleChief 381 Posted January 9, 2017 A little more...I absolutely LOVE the idea and the execution seems flawless and the marketing, oh yes. even better. Check the below video at 1:35. If a user has had even the tiniest bit of 3D CAD experience they would know how deceptive this part of the video is. Structure sensor will play almost no part in creating a 3D presentation for your client, unless you pay $30 for each room to convert the data into something even close to usable, then stitch those rooms together? How? Could you use aa ACAD file in Chief from it? At $30 a room? And get the information within 48 hours? Maybe Sketch Up? Love love the tech but it's not a business - I'm out. (in my best Shark tank impression.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HumbleChief 381 Posted January 9, 2017 Real world unboxing and test. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny 372 Posted January 9, 2017 I think an architect or designer would have more input into actual use. Larry, i've been part of projects where every detail of an old home had to be captured - from details on a staircase to the mill work on a fireplace surround. I'd paid upwards of 3k just for certain as-built measurements on projects that were very complex due to the age of the building and what the client wanted to capture for recreation in new materials. I've been recently focusing more on new construction so I agree this for me now isn't a huge priority. However, if I got a fairly complex project in the future needing an as-built the price for this isn't bad at all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HumbleChief 381 Posted January 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, johnny said: I think an architect or designer would have more input into actual use. Larry, i've been part of projects where every detail of an old home had to be captured - from details on a staircase to the mill work on a fireplace surround. I'd paid upwards of 3k just for certain as-built measurements on projects that were very complex due to the age of the building and what the client wanted to capture for recreation in new materials. I've been recently focusing more on new construction so I agree this for me now isn't a huge priority. However, if I got a fairly complex project in the future needing an as-built the price for this isn't bad at all. Did you see the real world results in a couple videos? We are obviously talking about 2 completely different businesses but for mine - not anywhere near a useful tool - today. Tomorrow? Who knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelgia 12 Posted January 9, 2017 I think this app could be useful for capturing the inside of a historical building such as a cathedral, for future consideration in case of destruction or fire etc... This would be overkill and actually more work for what we do on this forum, as HumbleChief so ardently articulated. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
facer_03 33 Posted January 9, 2017 How good will Canvas be for external scanning? For quality, large projects as churches photogrammetry is currently used. For a comparison of Canvas to current high-end scanners check out links below. USAhttps://matterport.com/ AUSTRALIAhttps://www.scann3d.com.au/#step-inside The cost to scan the interior of a large church is approx. $1500 AUD Project home builder using VR to market project homes Metricon (I believe they had Scann3d scan their project homes)http://www.metricon.com.au/metricon-virtual-reality-experience#s3zokoyEre3wQpJ5.97 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrscott 12 Posted January 9, 2017 On 1/7/2017 at 1:17 PM, DRAWZILLA said: Chief has room planner for as-builds. Chief has greatly improved it , with wall thickness and such. I think I'll give it another try. Perry, I use Room Planner with a "Leica DISTO E7500i". Works fine but I would prefer to use my Laptop and Full Chief Program. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
