SchnieppDesign Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I would like to extend my deck stairs to snug up against the side of the house, as shown in the red lines. Any ideas about how I can do this? Thanks, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry_Sweeney Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I had the same problem a few months ago. If I remember correctly I ended up making the steps out of a series of landings. This way I could make them any shape I wanted too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchnieppDesign Posted May 29, 2014 Author Share Posted May 29, 2014 Thanks, Larry. I thought there might be some trick with stairs. I tried winders and that didn't work. Landings is a good idea, but tedious. Thanks, anyway. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 a workaround for that one corner ,if you only need it for a few views ? , you can pull the side of the stairs thru the wall in plan view , it may appear on the inside too? though is probably buried in the foundation depending on design, but looks right in a 3d view . It doesn't work so well if you need multiple angles stairs though as the don't "recognise " each other and join up. And of course plan view doesn't look right either.... edit: I had done this in the past but just had a quick play , and with a closed stair and railings turned off it works fine.... nothing on the inside ,so the gotcha is what plan view looks like. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I would like to extend my deck stairs to snug up against the side of the house, as shown in the red lines. Any ideas about how I can do this? Thanks, John Deck Stairs.JPG This is such a stupid question, it should not even be asked, but can I do it? No, but I know it can be done..... I think I know it can be done...... ran into this just yesterday...... I thought if you opened stair dvx and CHECKED WINDERS, it would work, but it didn't....... what am I doing wrong?..... I bet the Great Glenn Woodward knows how to do it....... will somebody please get him out of bed to answer this question? Thanks Schniepp for asking the question.... Schniepp? What kind of name is that? You must be from some foreign country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 As noted checking winders in my above play-plan made no difference... for plan view the standard square stair and some CAD lines may have to suffice , but you maybe right Glenn may know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknz Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 draw invisible wall(s) to the sides - check winders in the dbx - make sure 'max tread contraction' under 'style' is at least long enough to extend the sides the distance you re are seeking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I thought winders needed an enclosed (defined?) room to "enable" them ? ..... so enclose the whole staircase in invisible walls? all 4 sides? M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 draw invisible wall(s) to the sides - check winders in the dbx - make sure 'max tread contraction' under 'style' is at least long enough to extend the sides the distance you re are seeking This is silly, I don't need invisible walls, I have the side of the building. I changed the max contraction to 6', should be plenty. Still does not work. What am I missing? Maybe somebody can post a small plan showing that it can work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 yep I hope Nick will clarify as my understanding of Winders needing a room comes from this KB Article http://www.chiefarchitect.com/support/article/KB-00884/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Is this checked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 did you mean to post a pic Perry? edit : 5 mins later the pic is there..... and yes at least for me it is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 it's there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 forum is slow today by the looks , I had already edited my reply before your last post showed up again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 figured this wasn't a new problem so did a search on the old forum and Scott you have videos , still watching them but yes you used invisible walls for inverted wraps , and you used Click stairs which I think enables the outside corner wrap as it doesn't work with "normal" straight stairs using ALT key to go down. M. http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?63193-Wrap-around-stair-videos-by-dsh&highlight=wrap+stairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 so far no help and this KB article doesn't work either , so I wonder if I have a setting wrong as click stairs wont wrap either in or outside and they should once inside 6" of the corner..... http://www.chiefarchitect.com/support/article/KB-00788/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Sometimes I have to slide them together, but it does work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Darn, I slept through it all! As far as I know, you need to enclose the stairs in room (usually with invisible walls), with Winders checked. As far as I know, the Allow Wrap setting isn't needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I thought he needed to wrap the steps around, I guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Played around some more in a new plan with rect. building and it would seem CLICK STAIRS only "recognise" DECKS, they would not wrap the house corners ,at least for me..... haven't tried enclosing the stairs off the house with invisible walls yet..... before placing the stairs , in the Deck Railing wall DBX if you set NO Railing and set the railing height to 0", and the baluster and newel width to 0" , I don't get the weird residual Posts where the initial "doorway" is cut thru the railing by the click stairs left behind ......probably a better way ? ....yes ...see edit below Edit: If you know you are going to wrap the stairs use the straight deck EDGE tool , not the Straight deck RAILING tool , then there are no weird posts when you place the Stairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I thought he needed to wrap the steps around, I guess not. Perry, If you have a look at the first post, the problem is extending the stairs into the angled wall, no wrapping or joining stairs. That could have changed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Probably my fault the OP hasn't been back and the question opened up the idea of all stairs being wrapable , inward and outward but so far I can't do it unless it is a deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenoeightspot Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Stair will wrap inside a room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchnieppDesign Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 Wow, I started an interesting conversation. After experimenting, Glenn had it right. You have to enclose the stairs in a room. You have to make the walls invisible, open below, no ceiling or roof, and have winders on. If you check No Room Definition, it doesn't work. Seems like a lot of trouble. John (Scott - It is a German name. My grandfather arrived from the old country around 1870.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I should of guessed it was German, Schniepp or Schnapps, two great imports from the olde country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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