MarkMc

Nice drawing (as always)

This one has the door on the side instead of the back, front is changed to blank

I've found it good practice when importing SU symbols to use "advanced options", rename all the materials and to replace them with something already in my library or plan. Avoids headaches later. Read up in the reference manual about stretch plans/zones and origins if you have to play with symbols. A lot of symbols can be made from cabinets. If they are not sufficient then polyline solids and molding lines can be combined but both have a few quirks. Attached was done with a cabinet and the first sink I got hold of, a custom countertop which was moved and opened to specify the thickness to a dimension instead of take from cabinet, then one sink was inserted, then copied (placing more sinks won't work but copy and paste will). Once done can be saved to library. File attached to give you an idea.

I'm on my second Clevo/Sager. Clevos where what the original Alienware laptops (pre Dell) and I think the original ROG machines also. I like that the configuration options are broad per model, no bloatware, and they don't have to look like a neon gaming machine. Prices are in line with or a tad below some of the others. Several models available with desktop processors (no Intel GPU so no Optimus), and also with desktop GPUs. I believe that some now have upgradeable CPUs and GPUS. I think that all the gaming brands now offer at least one or two of those now though. Bought the first one from Sager, second one from Xotic PC (who also handle other brands). There are a few other vendors (listed at Notebookreview.com forums)

Jon, at my last real job they looked into MS Dynamics but not for that. All more than I understand but any accurate and timely pricing would make lots of folks happy. I've been lobbying my brands to simply support text (csv) import into online ordering systems. Again at my last gig, we carried Medallion and the way to get pricing out of 2020 into the online system was to export as .txt which was just a csv file. It would be easy to turn a cabinet schedule into a csv for items. Global header items (species, style, color would take a little work as it stands now but simple enough). The only downside would be that changed orders would likely need to be done as a new quote but I do that already anyway to keep a running record of price changes (did it in 2020 too). Less overhead, maintenance, support calls, for manufacturers; easy for KD, fast and accurate; good for CA. (Then if CA provided a way to have field for global header items...) I'd encourage anyone to lobby there suppliers for that. For higher end brands, the ones that don't support or work well with 2020 that may not work. It would work for 75-80% pf the brands out there. Scott, thanks for hosting. I was surprised at the number of building folks that signed up. I hope that I was able to give a little insight that may help with dealing with their kitchen people. For a number of builders, designers and architects that I work with we work with the client on the kitchen while the rest is being decided. While what I do is at the bottom of the ladder it helps avoid having plans done only to discover that the appliance package the client wants can't work in the space available. I completely agree and that cuts both ways. Improvements on the building side make it easier for me to use CA to the fullest with things I might not otherwise. Being able to show a client the adjoining spaces, include stairs, put a deck outside the sliding door, and being able to easily alter the envelope makes me look miles ahead of the place showing them two walls for an ell and no other rooms. CA sells jobs. I'll have some time over the next two weeks to work on the label macros and will do a vid (on no Mr Bill) on that and another on using the schedule into order systems, 2020, and spreadsheets (made to look like order forms).

Thanks to all for being so kind and special thanks to our host, Scott, for keeping things lively Did me some good since have been trying to update stuff and that put a fire under my but. I received a couple of questions and there were a few loose ends. I posted a zip file with a plan and layout, a bit rough around the edges but that might be worth digging through, a forensic investigation. It's in the tips and techniques section here.

I received a couple of question from folks at and after yesterdays GTM I'm attaching a plan and a layout in a zip file. Consider this something for forensic examination-to use to figure out how you want ot go about things. There are very likely mistakes, I'm certain that some of the label macros need work and in the course of putting this together some unwanted ones may have dropped in from the library.. There was a request at the meeting for annosets. I agree with Perry and Scott that you need to put together what works for you but this may help get you going. The annosets here are a recent update to mine and may have mistakes yet. Started with something, a year or so later updated it, learned some more, fudged it as I went, now going working on a new and improved revised set. No you do NOT need to change annosets with every release. Yes you can use the same annosets for multiple templates (reference manual). OR you can use different ones. It's a good idea to export them somewhere (like the CA data file) with a date associated for when you muck them up or need to go back or want them somewhere else. I keep a second set that is less used for new construction that is different than my everyday remodel set. Just cuts down on the clutter. Label macros included- the principal I'm working with is to use one macro while I work so I know what is going on, then to change all the cabinets on the primary layers to have another macro that works for ordering nomenclature (3 inch increments for example) To get any of the macros out you open the macro management dbx pick it and export- then do the reverse in another plan and import (HIT F1) There was a question about the molding warehouse- included some in one room with a note. Don't forget to play with the new drag a profile from the library feature. Countertops-no chief will not automatically label finished edges- see the plan, keep some text int there and copy and paste. (maybe someone from the dark side can write a macro for that but I'm not going there.) A few ways to get millwork and other things into a schedule- included one arch block turned sideways to show the problem from using them. couple of odd symbols thingies for the schedules. Included-an architectural block with a wood hood and a blower insert inside it. The blower insert is currently set so you can't really resize it without going into the symnbol DBX and changing things (look in the reference manual and play with it -best way to learn) You can use this to see if the blower you want will fit in the hood the client wants. Glass house view, cross section slider, backclipped elevations. Odds and ends-if you have not seen Scott Harris method of globally changing kitchen cabinets you should check it out. Basically he keeps a couple of cabinets on the side in different door/color/construction. Then picks one and sets as default (one reason I ONLY use cabinets that respect the defaults even though some things don't AND naturally changing from overlay to inset requires some heavy redesign) There was a mention that 2020 will underline a label if you alter the size of a cabinet from the default. Chief won't. Thing is that 2020 will also underline the label if you add an accessory or a modification to the cabinet so it is NOT saving you from yourself (unless you do those last) File and layout attached, neither is complete, but worth fooling with I think.

Attached PDF with Hafele-surface in a drawer and some folding supports. Some other options can be found at Richelieu here

I use Chief for design, 3d Views, generating order listing, and details as necessary. I stopped building cabinets 20 years ago (no CNC). So I don't need to generate cut lists. Two of the makers I work with use CabinetVision. I send in PDF's which simply guarantees I get what I'm supposed to and makes everybody's life simpler. They don't really need DWG. I also deal with a semi custom outfit that allows fairly heavy modification. They actually look at drawings sent in so again it simplifies things. All I am interested in is making accurate dimensioned drawings (easily) and accompanying schedules that match what the makers want to see for nomenclature so I get what I want. X9 has made the schedule part easier. Partial sample attached (was done in X8) Sample.pdf

Are we allowed to upload that? I have a pdf copy that is correct. Link must have changed since then.

I've never been able to make that work-not that I haven't tried.

Chopsaw- Are you trying to do this with an "architectural block" or a "symbol"? This only works for symbols. I can't find 2 1/4" Regal Railing Linepost in my library so used another post symbol in the attached. -To get a CAD block into management you name it after blocking it. Once named it should be there. -Some symbol's CAD blocks are stacked one on top of another (or I've placed it more than once dunno), in any case I move the first one after exploding it to see if there is something under it-then explode that. It is the CAD block that gets exploded, not possible to explode a symbol. (it is of course possible to explode and Arch block) Attached plan has original column that started at 2-1/2" and an adjusted one that will dimension to the post itself at 2" AND place correctly in plan. The new CAD block matches the desired size-IF it doesn't match the new size (bounding box size) it will NOT work properly. Forgot to include screenshotss Block example.plan

Yes-reset the bounding box as Michael indicates (I assume). Then in CAD block management find the original block and insert. Explode, then move that, will be more parts under it, explode and move until there are no more blocks. Resize each, Block one, center the next on it, block...etc. Name it. Open symbol, chose the new block. OFFSET any axis needed (usually the Y axis as the X is almost always centered correctly) Save.

I pasted the pass through in-the problem is where it meets the other wall, used a psolid for that. Don't think there is another way around that. Then made room molding polyline.

Look at that -name in lights-getting stage fright :)))) I plan on dealing accurate and complete cabinet schedules. That entails a combination of : cabinet label macro (I’ve been working on not quite done) combined template, replace and/or drag from library, and drag/drop mods into OIP. Few custom symbols I use for millwork will come up but don’t want to do a symbol workshop. Then getting the schedule info someplace else for use ordering. For the many of you that don’t have to deal with ordering kitchens but do end up sending work on to kitchen folks I can show orders, catalogs etc..so you know what we deal with. It may help with communication making it easier to get what you need (and maybe things you didn’t know you could have Will also go over what I do for kitchen dimensions using annosets instead of automatic or NKBA I’d guess a few odd things I keep hanging around will come up. Love to hear what other folks are doing or want to cover.

Matt, Scott set up a GTM see thread

Not familiar with the home designer products but you can likely do the kind of thing we used to have to do. Float doors in place, or make shallow cabinet and force those to overlpa each other (transform replicate or point to point move overrides collision.) IOW you build it.

I'll contact a couple of people and see where that goes. Scott,lets post this as a seperate thread to see if we can't get some kitchen folks? Since you host and collect emails why don't you do that?

Sounds good Scott-I'm good to go and you're always a pleasant host:) so GTM it is. I'd hoped that some other kitchen folks might have some input too. I know you can swap presenters if need be. If anyone else is attending and has some good ideas for kitchen specific drawings please don't be shy.

No since there were no takers. How's Friday the 17th at 2 pm Eastern? I'm just waiting on a counter install date but they rarely do Friday. Maybe will post it over in the user group once we settle time. I use Zoom for multiple folks but if it ends up just the two of us Skype can work too. If anyone use GTM and wants to take over I'm ok with that too.

Till you get what you want I posted what I have for them in symbols. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/topic/12839-wolf-sub-stuff/

Saw someone asking for us to pester Wolf/Sub for a catalog. Here is what I have on my machine currently. Some are better than others. Don't know if textures end up missing? (let me know) These were either gotten from the 3d warehouse or as dwg from Wolf Sub that I messed with. (depends and can't remember) Enjoy till you get what your after.

https://www.chiefarchitect.com/products/3d-viewer/

I had a thought so tried defining trash pullout as an appliance in the hopes I could get the label to read it. It only works if it is the full height of a cabinet in which case it becomes the automatic label. Add a drawer to the cabinet and the automatic label reverts.CA does not provide any other way to access the information. So here is what I was able to come up with that works (and what doesn't) First two show the problem. The second two each use a different macro that collects info from the OIP. (which is why we place them in the library). This is NOT a preview of the macro I'm working on but the macro does include a way to add to the label reading from the OIP for very specific things. In this case you would change the code to whatever you use (RAS has roughly 125 different trash codes not counting mountings and lids making that up to you), change the comment to what you need as well -double trash, rev-a-motion, ...You can grab the macros out of the plan.

Then someone wants the sink base, the microwave base, the cute woven baskets, for the brand they have....Hey, I've been dealing with these issues since I switched to CA from 2020. I know Joe C is trying to write some sort of universal covers anything macro for cabinet labels. He handles Conestoga RTA cabinets so that may work out for you...or when I post mine you can adapt it. Sounds like what you supply is a lot like what I need to supply. Mine are not just for ordering, they are critical to installation even though I don't do RTA. Instead I'm telling the cabinet brand what I want, often specifying RAS/Hafele instead of what is listed in the catalog. They are also important for the customer who does not understand anyone's CODES, we supply a second floor plan with comments in plain English.