MarkMc

Guess it depends on why you want to see em? I could live with either, I only want to see shelves if they are supposed to show. . The whole thing is now just a minor annoyance to me since I know how to get around it. I'm surprised that you didn't run into it sooner (and that some have never seen it). I ran into it very quickly after beginning to use the program. My clients have me swinging the camera all over, often in vector so the problem shows up quickly. I think it could be more of a problem to someone (I guess a kitchen person) evaluating the program especially coming from 2020 or PK, who would not know what it was or that it could be fixed. OTOH for those times that I am ordering extra shelves I'd love to be able to get into the schedule-easily.

I'd like it fixed so that a "full" shelf reflected real life- sits 1/4 to 1/2" back from the face frame. Then it won't show. Problem with a toggle is it would also toggle open shelf and glass front cabinets. But I'd live with it if it made ya happy Dennis I could always adjust the depths as I do now.

You have to make a custom door symbol. Can be from scratch or... If there is a door you want to change you can drag it onto a blank plan resize the depth to what you want and convert it to a new symbol. You have to make a new symbol as just adding to the library doesn't hold your changes.

Dermot, I'd sent two plans in from the beta release but errors can't be reproduced. Have gotten 3 assertion errors on new plans, each time selecting custom hood symbols, 2 made in 6, one in 7. I'll contact them again when I'm out from under. But I can't reproduce the crash myself. I have eliminated most possible software conflict possibilities.

I do have one (Canadian) brand the lists depth to the door in the catalog-but they also spec both. Those have 23-1/2" deep boxes which is quirky. Every other brand I've ever used is ordered by box depth. All the installers I know work from box depth. Soo.. ...for drawings purposes I dimension to boxes and note that. For that brand I do the same, and note it on the plans. They have an ordering program which solves any issues. For aisle clearances I dimension counter to counter and note it as such. If I felt I had to dimension to face doors for some reason I'd likely place a dashed line at that distance from the wall, maybe on a separate locked layer, and snap to that. That way the cabinets will behave properly. Side panels OTOH are another story- for overlay panels I always place loose doors for that (or drawer and door blocked). I want to see them in plan to avoid overlapping casings, missing them entirely or burying them.

None on closing, only one an a new X7 plan while pasting in a hood symbol from an X6 plan, 3 other new plans fine, numerous with some X6 plans brought in. New one almost- I just tried editing group selected cabinets in an X6 plan a couple of times. Lagged a lot and it looked like it was thinking about it so I backed out of that. Overall ok, laggy at times.

I've had a few issues with plans done in X6 but mostly annoyances: two plans with some crashes (cause unknown-varied), some serious lag trying to edit group selected cabinets in an X6 plan. I didn't lose any work and did not have to revert (though at one point I was thinking of it in the public beta). I just open em and do a "save as", add a 7 to the name so I know. I'm now on 7 entirely-good so far on 3 projects all full buildings but still just interior work.

Doug, it was likely you who told me it was Z fighting- back on the old forum, likely in X4. I would say it is not as prevalent as it once was (but then again I've had my default shelves set back to something closer to what is built IRL for a long time now). I would say that framed/frameless does not matter, and the door panel may but no door style is immune. Here is a "inset with raised panel", X6 plan opened in 7 and "Full overlay, framed, recessed panel (1/4" panel set 1/4" from the back of the door) plan started in X6 finished in 7. In both cases it is possible to show shelves after moving the camera around. Once in a while it happens when first opening a view but more commonly after moving the camera around. What is interesting is that I can move a camera (away) and the shelves show BUT then go and place a new camera in the same vicinity, appr. same angle but in the new view they do not show? Sometimes, but rarely, I need to show a specific view for detail and have to eliminate shelves completely. It depends on the view- note that it is possible for shelves to show through the sides of a cabinet in certain cases. David- I've had this across 3 separate computers over the years, 2 still in use, all with different video cards. (but all with similar monitors?) I'm wondering about camera settings? Mine are attached and I have not messed with them in a very long time. They may have been changed some years ago? IF they were it was because of this specific issue and would have been based on advice here on the forum. Do these look like yours? I attached a plan with 2 saved cameras. Do you not get any shelves showing on your system?

I see it all the time in vector views with OOB settings, been since I've used CA (X3). Once someone told me it was Z fighting? As camera angle changes some will go away, sometimes all of them. I tried toggle shelves once upon a time, did nothing so started to change the defaults to eliminate it.

I think the toggle shelves is for loose shelves placed in the plan, not for shelves in the cabinets. I set the defaults for the shelves shallower to prevent them showing through.

I have no trouble with the cabinets or the counter- only problem is the wall. I'd prefer to draw it as such for the final documents- for this part I have to specify the framing. If I have to go to psolids and cad and manually add framing with cad then I know how to do that.

Not sure if that is the best title. Pretty sure there is a work around for this but can't remember it or find it. I have a half (wall with cabinet door panels on one side) that has to butt up to an full height interior wall. There is a counter that overhangs the half wall by an inch. I need the counter to butt into the interior wall and not extend past it. IF I extend the half wall to meet the interior wall then the interior wall automatically shortens to meet it so the counter will then stick past.

I use point to point move to place, no need to turn off bumping. Block when done.

I recently noticed some of your comments on this and was intrigued. Intend to go back over those posts and see what I can use in general. Besides notes (which does look exciting to me!! ) I'm looking for something to use with cabinet labels. For instance if I edit a cabinet from the library to have 3 drawers the label changes to 3DBxx. If I use specify label and uses automatic label then add in width and depth I get 3DBxx xx yy. Ass in the option for sixteenths so I know what is going on in the drawing and it gets messy. I'm looking for a way I can match it to a cabinet mfgs nomenclature a little more automatically. There is an endless supply of nomenclature from the mfgs. One brand calls a 4DB a 4DB, another just a DB; both call a 3DB a 3DB. Wall cabinets- Chief uses w3030- one mfg uses W3030B if there is no center stile, another 2W3030 and then for inset they use ins.2w3030... to name a few. With 5 brands it makes for an endless supply of cabinets added to the library. I'm hoping that there is something easier. I don't expect it will ever eliminate needing to add to the library but perhaps something will help. It may be a fools errand but will see.

Thanks,I get it Perry. I just discovered them last week. Then today I opened a new plan based on one of my templates and they were not there- tried several others and not there. Then discovered that they are in the current profile plan. So now I took those and added to my existing templates. It's a start-the ones that show to nearest 1/16th serves a purpose for me right now. Guess I have to go learn a bit more (Ruby?) to see what else I can have them do.

Thanks Joe, that makes it easier. Just exported the macros and imported those into the templates.

I did copy it over. When I open it there is no option for user defined, when I open the profile plan that loaded with X7 it is there. I can't find a setting for it. I'll see what it does after I import defaults and annosets from the old ones into the new profile plan. I don't understand what is going on but at least have a way out.

Never mind, think I know but correct me if I'm wrong. This is new in X7? and the default template for my "new plans" was made in X6 or earlier? Guess it's time to make some new ones.

Somehow I managed to find this in a plan recently- a set of user defined macros to use for labels. I have no idea how I found it but if I open a new plan the option is not there-the category is not in the "specify label/insert" listing. How do I get it to be there?

Besides using any/all of the above I have an annoset for just walls another just bases. That allows me to dimension each run separately.

Some folks offer training in the "Offering Services" area of the forums. I was cross checking against the Q&A section to see who might suit best while I tried to narrow down just what I needed. I took a one day intro webinar from Chief right out of the box which was worthwhile. A month later took a 3 hr follow up. Then started looking for extra help, By the time I had it sorted out (about 8 months -slow, stupid and hungry) it was kind of moot and really couldn't afford it. Perhaps if I was smarter and thought Scott was available things might have been different. Lots of videos available. This forum and the legacy one are gold mines, these folks are the best. I read it daily even things I don't need right now. I save snippets for future reference. There is a small but frustrating collection of gotchas doing kitchens;nothing compared to 2020 but in some ways more frustrating at first (affectionately known as work arounds You WILL find them. Search the forum (and the legacy forum) or post when you find the undocumented problems. I recently started on a list with the intention of putting together a kitchen survival guide to help training the next person I bring on. I'll post a rough version of that when it is cleaned up a bit. It's not ready and I'm slammed right now. . IF you bought the Interiors version I'd suggest getting Premiere as soon as you can afford it.

My guess would be either- trying to drag a standard micro into a cabinet, or not using the dbx, or not resizing the cabinet. DAMHIKT .

As Scott said "built in micro" from library works using the appliance in the cabinet DBX- Often you have to resize the cabinet first, place the appliance, then change the cabinet size. If you want it to look like a standard micro in an opening use Dennis's suggestion but you can't move it into the cabinet by simply dragging or using the arrow keys. To drag hold down the ctrl key while moving. Once in the cabinet (even part way) the arrow keys work. OR use transform replicate-move. Your picture shows micro drawer- attached are a few. Some work better than others and may need the origins changed, didn't check them. These go in using the DBX. Might add version your using to signature.

For cabinets and appliances I have a layer, "CAD guides" with a dashed colored line style. Draw circles or arcs as needed, straight lines for aisle clearance, etc... Better than nothing. I usually only need a few so not too bad.