MarkMc

22 plus two OOB- mostly one to one- just doing interior work so different needs than many of you Fiddled with them for a while to begin with- once I had a good idea and the import annosets was getting messy I set up a spread sheet to clarify my thinking and needs. Here's where they are now- may eliminate one or two but keep the layersets but the "using active defaults" makes me edgy. (Meat and potatoes for me) 1 Cab All 1 Cab Base To work on base alone and dimensions just Base 1 Cab Wall To work on and dimensions just Wall Cabs 1 CabMap No labels, no dims, plain English descriptions for clients 1 Guides aid in placement 1 No Counter less clutter 2 Cab Base (cab 2change default ) same as above but when adding new finish- still shows first ones 2 Cab Wall ditto Counters - send for quotes Detail 1.5 Detail 3 (following are for remodel- dims locate wall surface, casings, show demo layer) E Existing E Lights E Remod Demo E Remod Electric E Remod Frame E Remod Mechanical (New construction-locate framing, and roughs) N_Arch New N_Electric Anno New N_Framing Anno New also have Y-For Cad (to send view to cad for detail) Y-for 2020 to send just a simple wall view-no layers or dims sent to CAD to import into 2020 allows quick wall draw and layout to get rough price. (OOB-don't really use these but kept em in case) Z_1/2” Scale Annotation Z_1/4” Scale Annotation

I have both premier and interiors and lived with only interiors for a while. What you give up in interiors that matters IMO: Annosets-, cad from view (make up for it with Turbo cad deluxe or even double cad which is free), they have removed the ability to specify extra clearance for rough openings (a big problem of doing new construction, and the project browser. How much any that matters depends on workload and type of kitchen. If the kitchens are simple look at Pro Kitchen (and talk with them to nefotiate). If chief is warranted and you do a few jobs a year Annosets matter. If doing any new construction, additions or working from architects drawing lack of control over RO allowance is a royal headache and likely to cause order mistakes (stupid move) Project browser is "nice" to have as is detail from view.

Be a good idea to check clearances-remember Chief doesn't show doors in plan. With 1mm reveal the doors will overlap each other, need much more to open- a typical angled corner molding won't be enough..

I found it- Just kept shift selecting different types of object until it allowed for a block. Turned out there was a cad line in there I couldn't see- must have been placed to get a dimension to snap to for something else it wouldn't.

I was going to mention what Richard said about which card is in use. I checked the Passmark on your card it's 340; and compared it to the card on my older machine (Quadro 880 passmark 372) . Mine is slightly more but not enough for the kind of performance you are seeing. I just checked a current kitchen on that machine (don't use it much) The plan (50 mb) has a few custom materials and a few largish symbols in it. Slower than what I'm used to but not bad at all.-Opened 6 elevations, 2 cameras and had one camera doline drawing- under a minute. When you go shopping you may want to check benchmarks for video cards and such. I use Passmark http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/index.php Forgot to mention-that machine has Interiors on it- file was created in Premier- But have never noticed a performance difference between the two- just features. One more thing- You're not orbiting in "line drawing" are you? That is much slower- get view in vector then switch.

Trying to swap a few cabinet configurations to a new plan and have some that I can't make an architectural block. What type of objects prevent blocking?

In a prior thread Joe answered how to get the counter cutout proper for the imported sink- worth a look. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/443-undermount-sinks/?hl=sink#entry3000 Just did an inset job with Kohler Whitehaven - got it to work with -no top separation and opening for first face item. For that sink in inset it is the way I order it so the model helps there. No problem with the front being in the sink but with bottom set to proper height there is interference in the bottom of it but plan view is fine. Converted the dwg to a 3ds before import out of habit.

I use Chief mostly and TC as needed. I stopped upgrading my TC Pro license back around 14 and switched to Deluxe 2d-3d. For my needs I don't see much of a difference (it is missing ACIS) but still fills a few gaps and it's far less expensive.

For me the important piece is dimensions defaults. Should I start yet another annoset thread just for kitchens ; -^

12 plus 3 OOB slightly adjusted, expect to add 2 or 3- so picked 24 or less.

Keys are commonplace in kitchens with 2020. Often a topic of discussion or sad stories. Here's my current; added the biner when I almost lost this one in a parking lot, added the usb extension after a friend had lock fail due to wear when meeting at a clients home. If I'd done that sooner I might not have broken one key and 3 usb ports over the years. I've become expert at redoing the Sentinal software, keep it on every machine. Most KD's insure them; otherwise you pay full software price for lost key (plus support). So now it's just the deductible ($1k) and since I'm not on support whatever that is today with reinstatement($900) I love CA's software key.

OTOH- Something has gone amok and need to remove the battery and power in emergency to shut down laptop. Tilt laptop to access battery- break USB port and key (once)- DAMHIKT

Online overview is almost an hour. When I was evaluating I went briskly through one of those, mostly checked the feature list and used the phone to get specific answers. I took a one day course and later a shorter one- was worth it to me. Otherwise I hang around here and read everything and go to Chief Tutor once in a while. Has worked well for me and I'm a whiner.

I never really know just what a client means by "such and such style" until I spend some time on it with them. Not clear what you're after - lot of hoods in Sketch Up on Google Warehouse, pretty much the entire Stanici line which is nice since those can be had -(they do custom). -Chief has a Eurocast catalog- stone hoods -Building a hood in CA with parts(psolids, cabinet, doors, molding, etc) turning that into a symbol isn't too bad. Angled rail and stile panels can get tricky.

I'm not sure that it only picks up on the first send if I understand what you mean? In this case all the views were already on the layout, The page information was added afterward. When I was fiddling with archive files and save as I ran into one where the callouts were all fine- UNTIL I opened an elevation from the layout. Then the callout for that elevation only grew in size.

Thanks folks, worked out, bless you all. I cleared all page labels and titles which settled things down. I unchecked "below line" before I put back the titles and left labels blank. All is fine now. Is there a default somewhere for "below line" or does that have to be done manually every time?

I can't find any macros in any of the default callouts. I tried uncheck automatic and got smaller but not where it started. In the process of building a new layout which so far is working. Have to head home for dinner (or in trouble) will get back to it in an hour. Thanks.

What'd I do? I was working on the layout- I didn't go near the defaults. I was trying to figure out the page macros and how to put in a page table- all that went just fine I though. Changed pages and the things looked odd? I had at one point clicked on the callout tool in the layout but don't think I put one in place. I tried deleting the view, doing a few rounds of save as. Going through archives (only a little way back in time though) I can open an older plan and get back the original size, send to layout and it stays there fine. IF I go and associate the elevations (back clipped) with that file THEN the Callout grows. What'd I do Zip file has plan and layout. Callout.zip

Don't see a way to change dimension to simply indicate Equal - Equal without appending it as text which still leaves the dimensions-I'd prefer not to do in this case. I've been adding it all manually but thought there might be a faster way?

Thanks Curt- I see what it is doing. I need the callout on the elevation for the cabinet co.- had another where the cabinet was turned sideways with the same result. Ended up just adding a callout with the number.

Forgot-I've started to add back in the "d" in many cases, helps when the client changes things.

Appreciate the input Joe, I follow your posts, in particular about this, and use what I can from it. I've been adding cabinets to my Library since I started with X3. I actually went that way in the beginning. In my case it helps some but I've come to rely more on templates in combination with some cabinets in the library. To fully solve things I'd need such a huge library it would be unworkable. Templates work a bit better for me. They help a when the client inevitably changes brand or cabinet configuration mid stream. Even for those I need quite a few in the long run. 11 to cover the most commonly used cabinet configurations- twice that to accommodate ceiling heights and throw in a couple for raised ranches and splits. Currently have less than half that but the total is more jobs than I do in a year. What makes using the library convoluted for me: -Labels, four brands-completely different nomenclatures -Modifications. Need mods for practically every base cabinet and half the walls I do- each brand has differing nomenclature with 80-120 options per brand. That leaves me always editing the Component list. Mix in - two toe heights,3 top drawer heights by brand, over two dozen drawer cabinets (9 different 4 drawer stack configurations alone) likely. -different configuration -2 Inset (just rail heights not the 6 edges), 3 frameless, 3 full overlay reveals (plus mods), 2 traditional (lipped but no call for it). That's before I start mucking around. So I have some cabinets in the library, add to it sometimes, or fish them out of an old plan, and keep molding stacks in a separate plan to copy/paste from. If I could manage to get nomenclature, mods and sizes into a schedule so I could export it to use for ordering, even with some editing, in a decent amount of time it would be worth it. If I could get numbering to work then more would be "live" an improvement. Which is why I've spent so much time at this. I really wanted it to work. I was thinking of it as a learning experience but t's not happening. For now, I might as well generate the order and import the nomenclature into the drawings. Either way it won't be "live" and I can number plan Bluebeam in a fraction of the time it'll take to finish reordering numbers for cabinets in the schedule. But the model looks good enough, and the layout pages will be fine (except for those angled flutes and have yet to fix toe kick on the clipped corners). Yeah, I've always been a problem child, Still I know enough KD's like me, who need a bit more. We end up using CAD, AutoKitchen, Chief, 2020 in combo with Envisioneer, Cabinetvision, Pencils, likely some others...or a combo of whatever works for the task at hand. Ain't a perfect world. Chief does most but it's like driving from here into NYC-cruise along for 75 miles the last 10 can be brutal.. I've finally come to accept that Chief is for builders (duh) and ktichens, as a market, are incidental. It almost solve the (kitchen) problems but it never really will. They have too much do fix for the mainstay client. So for now I choose to accept the workarounds while kissing ano sets and this forum daily. .

Don't wish to add fuel- this is mostly in case someone looks at this in the future- in particular a KD. The arch block thing works like a charm and I'll likely try again in the future to generate a schedule and numbered layout in Chief but it will have to be on a much simpler layout than what I have now. I am running into far too many issues to keep at it: -some items numbers don't show in elevation- like a shelf behind moldings or a cabinet turned sideways on an island- workaround create seperate callout for elevation -I already have to edit text for all labels to get them proper in the schedule - already have to manually add ALL modifications to the component list for each cabinet- cumbersome -have a two tone kitchen and can't generate a seperate schedule- was considering just living- creating two plan files would allow me to solve it in elevation but not in plan -the straw was I have all (stacked) moldings done with molding lines- the arch block trick did not work at all for that and if it did it still wouldn't give me the stacked parts so- I'll generate the schedule manually and number after printing the layout using Bluebeam. Thanks for the help- will try again on a simpler plan.

Trying to get clipped corners to show flutes. When I add the accessory it changes the bounding box to show a rectangle in plan. It appears that the model is adding something at the bottom of the cabinet. The two cabinets on the left are using a custom symbol where I set the origin back so I could show just the flutes on the cabinet. The second cabinet has no tick kick or counter- was going to add to the library and I deleted toe (Chief won't consistantly do a proper toe kick on a clipped corner), then removed the counter to see if that was causing the plan view issue. After losing the toe the flair at the sides showed up- that appears to be where the problem is. The third cabinet has a standard fluted pilaster from the library- I've tried a few with no luck Fourth cabinet is a standard clipped corner (at 3" first three have 2" clip) with no accessory. Any ideas? Added a pic with cabinet floating shows the where the bounding box isssue is coming from but I can't figure out what cabinet part it is? Clips and flutes.zip

Trying to show cabinet numbers. Is there a setting somewhere to move them to the front-i.e. display "on top"? In plan I can move them around enough so that they show but in some cases the ideal location is such that they get covered in part or in whole by another object. Where I'm really having trouble is in elevation. Thanks to Glenn I took a shelf (which despite being in the cabinet tools doesn't show in the cabinet schedule-stupid) and made an arch block and put it on the cabinet schedule- great. In elevation the number dissapears whenever I turn on the "molding layer". It doesn't matter where I put the number. Any fix?