MarkMc

Solved it sort of...just got off with tech support. Kilgore;yes they do. It was one of the (biggest) advantages it had over 2020. Why... New construction or an addition- architect sends me a pdf- it is to framing dimensions; or we measure new construction once framing is up but before drywall because they want the kitchen layout for electrical and mechanical. I get info on casings, we put that into the defaults,check the window schedule and use the appropriate RO's Set up the drawing based on that, switch dimension defaults to use interior surface of wall and casing, hide the layer with the architectural dimensions and do my job (like make sure that the cabinets don't encroach on the casings) So in x6 I can still tell it to dimension to RO and wall framing. And it does. The first problem I had was apparently the file I was sent to work on was done in an older version. I sat down to my assistants computer and did a new plan and got dimensions to snap to RO and to wall dimension layer no problem. That is the good news. The bad news is that at least from X3 through x5 I could specify how much to add for the RO. That allows me to use the window schedule. That is no longer available. The RO is set, worst part is it is set at a default to add 1" to each side. Just checked -Anderson is 1/4 and Marvin is 1/2. Added after- had a thought last night and it worked. In case anyone else runs into this. I found another solution for some windows-windows for Pella and Anderson from the mfg catalog use the correct RO- Marvin doesn't guess since the cat is so old. Haven't found which doors work yet but didn't look that hard- don't see any interior doors so may try creating a door symbol in premier and exporting- if that works I can make a few more for assorted roughs. Will update if that works Fortunately I upgraded one license to premier so can fudge around it or we can mathlete adjusting every opening so the casings are correct. If I use Premier that now means the initial drawing has to be done on that machine- which I upgrade for doing the final drawings...not happy. The second license becomes a lot less useful. I do intend to upgrade the other this year but matter of money.

Anybody with X6 interiors? My secondary license is the Interiors version. Just had a new hire working with it- draw a kitchen that is new construction based on field measurements. Actually the kitchen was drawn- just go in a make it match the existing ROUGH dimensions. I use a separate dimension default for that than I do for kitchens- locate the wall dimension layer and rough openings. Same one I use for the pdf's sent me by architects. Two things- 1-pulling dimensions does not locate anything at openings??. 2-??I can't find a setting for rough opening in the door or window DBX. Which I'm guessing is why it won't locate the roughs, even though that is still an option in locate under dimensions. Please tell me it is somewhere to be found? I'm missing something somewhere? they didn't make it impossible to dimension to RO for the interior version did they? seriously? she's just learning Chief, and I was in a meeting, became a real fiasco.

What you can get is defined cabinets and dimensions- example below. What you can't get is cabinet construction detail To get what I show in second pic- go into your layersets (first pic)-copy the existing layerset, rename the copy. Then: turn off "cabinet counters" , see that "cabinet module lines" are turned on, change the line type to suit what you want. I have several of these set up as annotation sets, each has a different set of default dimensions and/or turns on a different dimension layer. Should have noted for the one you see I also have all labels turned off and molding turned off- in the example wall cabinets are turned off but you can set up one to have both on. I use one dimension default and layer for wall cabinets, another for base and a third annoset/layerset that shows both of those dimension layers.

As Joe said X6 is better. I've been using UltraMon with multiple monitors for years. They have a scripting language and an assortment of free scripts available for it - some look like they may allow you to do a portion of what you're after. Worth a look see- they have a forum too. Description of scripts is here http://www.realtimesoft.com/ultramon/scripts/

Thanks so much Joe- you da man. Just nominated you and Scott for the Players

I turn off labels for that which helps. Can also temporarily change default doors and drawers to slab, export to layout, print to pdf OR save as and never let the elevation update, then change the plan back to the original default doors (undo works quickly) In some cases I will copy the entire run of cabinets to another wall somewhere- make all doors and drawers openings with no shelves- then convert that to CAD

Agreed

Just to sing the praises of annosets, Scott, his videos, and this forum. Back a little Scott and a few others convinced me of the value of annosets, I knew I seriously needed detail from view, that project browser would help and a few other niggling things. About a month ago I converted one of my interiors licenses to premier. Been fiddling with sets for just over a week while still working. Watched Scotts videos which made it a cinch. (The ability to export and import the sets from plan to plan as I work on them is a real plus.) In that short time I have experienced a huge increase in productivity. Even more now that it is combined with detail from view (no more exporting to TurboCad to dimension cabinet parts that chief won't or playing "add line, copy and move line dimension; why is it snapping to that?!@#@". I know standard practice is to avoid using detail to view but for me it is a godsend, project browser is a big help too. I use Scott's method mostly but since I do kitchens and baths my sets are completely different. The real plus for me is being able to quickly change dimension defaults- I need different things located in different circumstances. Also need allows me to work on something easily without haveing to continually tab to select what I want, say wall cabinets without dealing with bases getting selected. I also have a number of CAD layers some of which never get printed. Sets I have so far (besides most of the defaults which I left until I get all settled) Two that use feet and inches and locate dimension layer, and rough openings. Arch and demo arch- both of which are used when tracing the pdfs one of you guys send me. For the rest the dimensions use inches, locate wall surface, and casings. Demo; As Built; Cab plan; wall cab; base cab; counters; detail, Export (so I can send the architect dwgs after field measure). Most have their own default dimensions and layerset but as Joe said there are some variations to the layerset use.Will be duplicating some of those and renaming to include the CAD guide layer so I can watch clearances. Need to incorporate other scales into the mix. I'm printing 11 x 17 most often but letter size for fax so can be printed at the other end- I've had to add other scales 3/8's for letter and larger jobs, many of my details are done at 1; 1 1/2; and 3" . Still working on it my sets, wish I'd had this sooner. Now if I could only get rid of some of those useless layers you folks need and find a way to get a decent correctly labeled cabinet list and map (I use Bluebeam for that and still for some notations )

Lew, first 30 days. I think it was an extra $100 unless during a sale (at least that was what I was told when trying to convert during a sale and complaining that conversions were not on sale despite promo saying they were) Don't really know what I paid for the conversion I just got since I put it on my secondary x5 license which was no longer on support so had to pay upgrade to x6.. I'd add that the OP or anyone is better off evaluating their needs themselves. If you call in for kitchen the line they offer is that "if you don't go inside the walls you don't need premier" I heartily disagree with that statement, more so now that I have premier.

If you need much in the way of working drawings go with premier. Most notably missing from the interiors version: detail to view which allows you to convert a view to a cad drawing- needed to fix lines created from workarounds and to dimension things that chief won't snap to (most parts of cabinets or cabinet doors), premier also let's you fix lines in layout interiors does not. When I only had interiors something had to be exported to cad to edit on every job. Project browser, aids production Anno sets - I need completely different sets than what is being talked about right now but the usefulness can't be underestimated. Some I need to have dimensions snap to "locate" certain items, others different ones. Watch Scott's videos and play with a trial. Of you get interiors and upgrade within a month there is no extra cost, other times a slight upcharge which is waved when they run a sale. Still cheaper to go all in during a sale than to upgrade, at least that's how it seemed to me. There are other little things but not as important. The downside to using premier for me is it nows has a lot of extra layers that I will never use but can't remove since the program wants them. An annoyance but for me well worth the time gained elsewhere.

Glad it helped. I often have to override the full overlay or the frameless settings since the four brands I handle (and most of the other 2 dozen I've worked with) that does those has one reveal for the tops of cabinets and another for the bottom. Creates other problems when dealing with that though- I can get the elevations and the perspectives to look correct but have to make secondary cabinets to show section through a cabinet or any that I also have to show openings for ordering. Haven't found a solution and don't expect one.

I'd go to the chief data folders and find a layout to open from explorer- if it doesn't crash then change your preferences to that file.

Make the area you want to lower into a room using the room divider tool-then break the walls at the end of the divider, Go into the room dbx set height.

In cabinet DBX- front tab- use "framed" traditional overlay- if you doing frameless cabinet set your separation to say 20mm; then set your vertical overlap to 40mm, change your top seperation to something like 25mm (i used inches in the example-you can convert)

Don't think the brothers do that anymore- checked mine and it's 11 x 17. Epson workforce does up to 13 x 19. I have a simple Workforce printer-no wireless but does network if I remember. Moved it to home for emergencies after I got a Brother all in one. Was a nice printer but I didn't use it often enough and it has those chips that tell me it is out of ink based on time so it sits there unused. Your welcome to it gratis if you like, anywhere near NY? might not be worth the shipping

I do a lot with pdf's, started using Bluebeam Standard several years ago, very happy though I haven't upgraded in a few.

You mentioned that in the thread discussing "help" slow to load where it was suggested to run as admin to fix that . I checked after the last update and help still takes forever to load unless using run as admin...what are the likely problems? is the help issue going to be addressed?

OK, just making sure I wasn't nuts- I do that on every single job, several elevations. I usually had been putting lines in place to snap to what I need, cabinet openings, appliance cutouts, cabinet heights (including base cabinets), molding profile parts, drawerheads etc ...gets to be a lot of lines and if things are in flux during design they all have to move...OR exporting to CAD when using interiors version. I hadn't done that on this thinking that with the upgrade to premier figuring I could take care of some of that (like moldings and openings), with detail from view- didn't realize that it wasn't snapping to base cabinets until now. As Michael says results are unpredictable.

Are you able to get it to snap to the top of a base cabinet in elevation? and then to a counter? I'm not getting that.

And then NKBA auto elevation dimensions snap all over the place (excep base cabinet height) but they are just a mess.

Just checked an X5 plan, just as bad, must be my imagination. Recently changed system display setting maybe made it worse? don't know. I can understand it being difficult to allow snaps to cabinet openings, door stiles and rails but cabinet height and counter ought to be accessible for a program that you can use to take the NKBA test??- and they couldn't understand why detail from view is needed in interiors. Stopped wasting my breath and managed a few bucks so upgraded one license to premier so I at least don't have to constantly export to cad and import into layout or play "move/copy" lines to snap to. Detail from view helps for final layout, but design work is still a PIA in elevation. Oh well

I often need to dimension cross sections of cabinets. I only want the snaps to go to the cabinets but often get an info box-"you have dimensioned to cross section lines. Point markers will be used..." So I have to undo and try again until it snaps where I want. This seams to have gotten worse in X6 but may just be me. Is there a setting to prevent dimensions snapping to and creating these point markers? The only solution I'd found is to convert to cad or drop in a bunch of lines where I want things to snap.

I use Bluebeam Revu, no issues. Priced closer to Foxit than Adobe. Dropped Phantom several years ago.

Bluebeam has layers but only created within the program itself, markups, overlays...

Others may have better answer- I just tried- export current view to dwg- opened in TurboCad. Layers are there and work. I tried my pdf printer- bluebeam standard and get no layers. But then checking documentation BlueBeam does layers but does not appear to support importing layers them. So what's going on with your pdf creation I can't say. One thing is Cheif exports black lines. If I open an exported file in Intellicad I don't see anything- until I "select all" and change line colors. A possibility.