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Yeah Lew, only slightly harder than opening a dbx.

Thanks Glenn, much faster, that's so good it isn't even a work around.

In this case I understand the categories. For a builder this is Millwork (except hoods), but if in the kitchen it's ours- so there is a conflict. Kitchen specialists are a convenient pick up market, not the target demographic, so Millwork it is (except hoods). I've been numbering in PDF with BlueBeam Revu for years going back to 2020. Autonumbering "stamps" are really fast once understood. X6 with some help I got on this forum has made getting a list and numbers perhaps feasible. If I can get the lists at the same time, in the same file (even though completely edited) it may be worth it-jury is still out. At the moment my old methods are twice as fast- generate list (in 2020, on line, or manually), export, edit, print to pdf, import list and number printed Chief layout in Bluebeam...but hope springs eternal, will see where it goes. I can still group select cabinets (among other things) and change the layer?? What can't have you run into that doesn't? Some things in the cab DBX are capricious in a group select and a PIA. "...maybe they'll improve it some day" Maybe-thanks to folks like Joe who somehow persist with suggestions. For this job the the workarounds made revisions a brutal nightmare-inset, integrated end panels, half dozen fluted clipped corners, stiles extended down and/or out, sides extended back, few funny angles, custom symbols, some stacked molding to a cathedral that bumps at valance-kind of job that almost makes 2020 look good. I decided to change my birthplace to Missouri

In the long run that means an awful lot of in and out but works like a charm. (Wonder how that goes over with newbie KD's.)Thanks.

Like wood hoods, corbels, legs, valances, custom symbols? Changing the layer doesn't do it. Trying once again to get a decent cabinet list out of CA with numbered plan.

While I only recently learned how to get info in the component list that doesn't delete when modifying a cabinet... So far I find it somewhat useful- to a point and worth saving "some things" to the library. In my work it doesn't come near preventing constant editing to get a schedule that includes modifications and accessories. Perhaps, if you work with only one supplier or don't have to do any ordering, maybe. Then again if you spec a number of mods often, deal with perpetual client changes then it won't, there are too many combinations. I use 4 mfg- most custom but even my semi custom brand is very flexible. Even the custom uses codes for standard mods and accessories. Then there are cabinets whose "label" changes based on accessory (I have one brand with 24 different trash pull out cabinets standard; each with it's own code) There is no standardization between brands, each one that I have uses a different set of codes. It is not uncommon for each cabinet to have an accessory or two along with 1 to 5 mods. Pretty much every job has at least a dozen different mods, a third of which need specific sizing information per cabinet per job. I believe this, rather than pricing, is the biggest obstacle to widespread adoption of CA by kitchen folks. (the majority of brands now have on-line ordering and only a few work directly with 2020) On the one had-manipulating CAs schedule to correspond with cabinet numbering callouts is fabulous compared to 2020 getting the information into it- with mods and descriptions- is primitive by comparison. To add mods for in 2020 you find the mod in the list- (lightning compared to navigating CA's library) - highlight the cabinet and double click the mod- if there are sizing options needed a dbx pops up then presto... - the info attaches to the cabinet and ends up in the description. (there is also a user catalog if needed.) It is so fast that I've often, after design is final in CA, opened 2020 to generate a complete list- export to spreadsheet- delete a few rows and columns, run down a column to number, and copy and paste. I'd posted a suggestion for this back a ways but didn't get much interest. (Back in X3 the "Craftmaid" with a C catalog had mods listed that may have gone onto the component list but I was a newbie then so couldn't figure out what they did) I'd love to be able to simply add a category for mods in my user catalog and be able to click them to add to an items component list- at worst edit the dimension of an extended stile or such. (so much of the Component list is simply irrelavent anyway) So far the best alternative (at least what I'm trying lately) is to generate a schedule in CA and adjust the number sequence. Then convert he schedule to text, copy and paste into spreadsheet and add mods and alter labels- print to pdf and bring it back in. So far this is the fastest. The downside to any of these options is that I'm working in multiple programs neither gives me "live" checkable information that corresponds to the model. (component list doesn't either with all of Chiefs workarounds for cabinets) What I need is something that I can use to order- good drawigns, good codes, good specs. 2020 's drawings and dimensions are inadequate, CA is inadequate for ordering information and has too many workarounds, ProKitchen fails at custom cabinet but is getting close and AutoKitchen had zero keyboard support last I checked- so here I am -I use Chief and... Life is a workaround

Had a similar issue today with drawerheads. I needed vertical grain slabs, made new material, rotated and didn't work. I ended up making a new drawer head symbol from a Psolid with a vertical grain. Don't know how that could work with a ceiling though.

While your at it assign keyboard shortcuts for transform replicate and for point to point. I use "m" and "p"

I've run into a sporadic problem with snapping cad lines and don't have the cause so can't help there. I've taken to overshooting the line and going back and using the trim tool set to stickly mode- faster for me. I don't have to spec the openings or frames for every cabinet but do have to do several per job. I recently switched to premier in part for just that, to speed it up. Once all is settled using models I copy specific cabinets to blank wall(s-sometimes use several walls to keep things separated) somewhere, group select them and uncheck "include in schedule" - change all doors and drawers to openings, then CAD detail from view, and snap dimensions. Leaves very little drawing required. I typically call out drawer boxes and roll outs etc. if I need a visual I use a polyline. IF a cabinet changes in the model I only have to copy that one on my "warehouse wall". I have not figured out a foolproof way to signal that a cabinet has change in model but I recently got the cabinet schedule working the way I need (thanks forum). In the process of working with that I discovered that there are several fields in the items component list that will revert after any changes are made to a cabinet (comments for one) I'm looking at a way to use that as a signal that a cabinet's detail needs to be changed.

I always have trouble with it. I often just make a line and use point to point move till I get the first one where it needs to be- then transform replicate for the rest.

When I do custom c-tops I use only one cabinet to start. That avoids having a bunch of extra nodes so I can easily stretch a side as needed. Adding nodes is easier than getting rid of them. Don't know why you can't stretch in the second direction, sometimes that can be overcome going the wrong way first, release the stretch in the direction you need. Sometimes the control key helps.

Yup

It's the bay window tool for that one. Using a combination of Scotts slam it into the corner after: making casings 0 (Simply unchecking didn't work as well), no trimmer (already had that), change default minimum for mulled units, and set rough allowance to 1/4- then using Perry and kbird suggestion I played with the frame on the pass through- set the depth DOWN to 2" and inset to 4"- then just for grins I went back into the component windows of the bay and made the interior casings 2" which closed the gaps and didn't move the window -Pretty close to real life now. Thanks all

Thanks for the vid- looks like the way to go- at least a bit better than what I've got. Think I can make it work out with your second method, a few psolids and some molding- at least to keep client happy. The upside is I only need the interior.

OK got it figured out- I'd been clicking add and only getting sub items lines-. i.e cabinet is C4, select it, click add and I get say C4.8, C4.9 etc. Nothing added to those sub items lines shows in the legend. IF however I select another item in the list- like C1 (the countertop!!) and click add then I get a new line C5 (not a sub line of the cabinet) Then on that new line I can select Mods, type in a description and it shows in the schedule. This appears to work on any full line in the component list EXCEPT the cabinet itself which is generally down the list. part way. I had one where there was a full line AFTER the cabinet and clicking that also works. SO any full line before or after, just not where you intend it. Testing this I found that sometimes after adding a few lines then clicking the cabinet adds a new line not that I'd be doing that. Little more testing and found I can add it clicking blank area below. That was so much fun I thought I'd add another row as a mod. That would make it easier to edit delete a single mod during design. The second line doesn't show. So then I tried adding to the first line expecting to get a sub line as I did on cabinets- doesn't happen can only add a full line.

Thanks Scott- will try that. Your faster (and surer) than me, I did a couple of hours including videos before resorting to the pass through, then fiddled some more before asking. I don't get it, maybe it's regional? but almost all the ones I run into are like what I'm after.

I can't figure out how to add information to the sub category once I have it? I tried that yesterday, and again today. I get the column in the schedule no problem. It doesn't appear in components except as a drop down in the sub category column, same in material list. In preferences I can add a sub category under categories- no behaviour options I can check off sub category to show in reports or master list. The "mods" sub category is not available as a separate option. What am I missing?

I run into a lot of these- bay window where the casing is a picture frame flat on the wall. Tried a few things, checked videos and can't find the answer. I fudge this moving the bay out of the way, then adding a pass through and moving the bay back. Close but no cigar. I can't get the bay to move close enough to the interior. How do I do this please? Bay WIndoe casing.zip

Thanks for all the help. I understand where the components, comments etc are. Just wanted to move or eliminate some. The only thing I didn't know was that comments (and description and code) change if the cabinet is altered in any way. I'd done this one with a finished plan so didn't run into that. That sort of leaves me hanging. It may not be a bug but leaves a lot to be desired in my case. No place to add notation to a cabinet and have it stay with it through the endless client revisions. So moving columns or changing the list wouldn't is moot.. The material list has too many components that I don't want and would have to edit out of each and every cabinet. I read up on that and don't see it as a simpler answer (and from haven't noticed that folks on here are in love with it) But if I'm missing something. If I get this right- the only place I can add the nomenclature where it will stay put after cabinet size changes is in the label. Meaning I can add mods to a cabinet in the label as they come up and continue to work with the client. That allows having all the mods (notes as it were) in place as discussed and ready for order. Problem there is the mods can get quite long. The mods shown here are simpler than many, others can 20 characters each. Add a few of those and showing the labels turns into a mess. I'd hoped to have: a number per cabinet, a readable label, and a legend of the cabinets that relates to the floor plan number. So it looks as if I can have either ? -a readable label (without all the mods) but then no numbers and no listing of mods (unless added after all cabinets are not going to change -hah) OR numbers and a legend if I add the mods to the label in which case I can end up with labels that are a paragraph long OR go back to what I was doing using other programs to manage legend and numbers but get nice labels. Unless I'm missing something. I'd thought (hoped) that something had changed to finally make something useful possible- guess. Thanks again, I suppose this is answered-"no soup for you" just not sure what to click on if someone else wants to know.

I don't understand the permanent? I'm editing the comments in the component list for cabinets by selecting them in the plan- does not have an affect on other cabinets I place, perhaps because I already edited the labels? The jpeg doesn't show the "comments" column simply because I didn't scroll over- I know it is there- that is the problem- have to scroll over for each. I'm finding nothing in the cabinet DBX that allows me to edit the comments? Attached is a schedule with comments - this is what I'm after. I need to: -have a numbered list that corresponds to the floor plan - have a that which is new for me and reordering is easy enough (compared to 2020) -display cabinet modfications, hinging, and finished sides with the cabinet If I can keep this live just in CA it cuts down on mistakes, makes checking easier AND eliminates having to edit this all manually elsewhere so can keep it live with the plan. It doesn't sound like I can get there from here without scrolling across, which is an improvement but time consuming since I have to do it individually. For brands I carry that support it I can do this in 2020. It adds the mods easily BUT is brutal to reorder the cabinet numbering (besides I avoid using it if I can)

I'd tried the material list preferences, thought that had an affect on what showed up in the components for individual items but doesn't for me. I need to edit the "comments" for specific cabinets- or find another way to add what I need to end up on the schedule? What am I missing?

Finally figured out a way to get a semblance of a cabinet schedule I can use, almost. I need to edit the "comment" on a fair number of cabinets to make it work. I'd like to move that column further to the left so I don't have to scroll across for each. Is there a way? While I'm at it- is there a way to specify what schedule items end up on? There are a number of items (valances, side panels, molding) that would need to be a part of the cabinet schedule but don't want to show up there. I mean that is where they get ordered. I managed to fudge a few (not molding though) using something else but there ought to be a better way?

I only use laptops. Since I travel with it extensively (and I'm a runt) I prefer 15's to 17's. I think that it is a little less overhead on the video card? at least there are fewer options out there with bigger vid cards for 15's. In the studio I run one or two extra monitors- a Dell IPS24, a Samsung 18, and a Toshiba 14 displaylink (usb connected) that I take to meetings. Hope to replace the 14 with a 15 soon. Both listed in my signature work fine- the Sager is much faster than the Dell. Sagers are the same chassis as Joe's beloved Asus. The Sager was 2k. Since I just do interiors that may matter-but I do a fair amount of new construction and often drawing the entire house- though don't mess with much with the roof and no terrain. My files run between 7 and 14 MB and top out at 20-25. I'm indiscriminate about what is running, usually have at least two plans, a layout, 3 elevations, 2 perspectives- minimum and several other programs running. The most I'm likely to run is 4 plans, layout, 6 elevations, 3 perspectives; Turbocad, 2020, Bluebeam(4 tabs), Firefox (8 tabs), open office, intellect, a photo program (usually XnView) Directory Opus, and an explorer window or two- with one external monitor off the V card and one off the USB. I might shut something down if doing much in 2020-it's badly behaved. I looked recently looked into replacing the Dell for my other designer, went over to XoticPC. They carry a number of brands of the gaming machines (MSI, Asus, Alienware,Sager ..), Many with good customization. After checking them all it still looked like a Sager for my needs- bottom end for me was about $1500. Since I've come to believe in buying as much machine as I can afford I'm likely wait until I could go 2k again. Unless we get desperate AND I find something adequate for a grand. I've not needed support but understand that Sager is not really great and that Xotic is actually better for support. The comparable Asus machines were pricier, had fewer ports that I need and use the same chassis and case. I know nothing about the support from Asus though.

Thanks-Rails or walls for pantry? what for walls upstairs? Tried a few things- not the sharpest tool.. Got two walls good, third with exposed framing instead of rock, holes in cieling, roof and exterior walls- resorted to p-solid for now, only needs to look right really but want to figure it out- will go to old forum after I get it price up. Didn't think you'd be around, aren't the big guns about to tee off?

Pantry in a corner- cathedral ceiling, single story ranch. Need to be open above pantry-architect wants a platform on top of pantry. Draw as half walls, adjust size and looks fine. But if I add a door and I lose the wall above. Draw as normal walls, turn off auto rebuild, change room definition and structure tab for the pantry to height I want but walls take on the other room height. Someone know how please I've played with what I know to no avail?