MarkMc

NKBA doesn't ask that they be shown. I call out accessories in a numbered item list which is much like the NKBA standard. Some folks include codes in labels but that can get really messy if there are a lot of mods and accessories in a cabinet. Since shelves are usually standard in qty and always adjustable (in my world) I only call out if there are extras. Sometimes I list qty. in the overall cabinet spec. 2020 has the ability to show roll outs, and just about any accessory in a cabinet BUT it doesn't show the interiors in elevation. It does however let you show doors open or closed in 3D (they also show in wireframe). A few of the better 2020 catalogs allow you to show pull outs/accessories extended in and out in 3D-most users wouldn't know how to do it (or that it exists). I don't miss any of that, CA is my goto for now, only use 2020 for down and dirty or quick ballpark price...a few other things more so.

You may be right Scott- could keep all variations of height in a detail in the library ( I keep a plan with molding stacks at different heights, same idea). But I can't get lines to trim to cabinets in elevation so would still end up in CAD for the final view if you want to use the trim tool or adding a lot of lines to trim too. It's not something I'd be doing- thought of it as I already need to go to cad to dimensions cabinet parts (especially insets) so if I really had to I'd be half way there to begin with.

Thought this might work, a variation on what I do to get dimensioned openings. Create all your elevations. Make a layerset that has all cabinets as dotted lines and shows nothing else. Save plan, group select wall cabinets and change doors to openings, do the same for base cabinets. Shoot elevations and for each one "CAD detail from view" Now "Save as" a different name. Go to cad of first elevation and ctrl+A -select all, copy go back to original plan and first elevation, then ctrl+alt+v -paste and hold position continue as needed. I didn't clear everything from the layerset for the attached but you get the idea. The plan elevation ghosts the dotted lines around the cabinet and is a bit messy. Once in layout it looks fine as image shows. I'd likely place the cads on a their own separate layer to avoid confusion. Naturally this is not live so needs to be a final touch. But easier and faster than drawing them all.

To change only one to glass you have to align a glass door from the library. Checking off "glaas" in the dbx will affect all the doors. If the door style you need doesn't already exist in the library you have to make or adapt one and add it.

It's z-fighting, at least that was what I was told back when. Change the angle of the perspective and it shows in different cabinets. I have all my templates set with shallower depth shelves standard to avoid it. Have actually considered setting them up with none since I rarely put in a base with shelves and never have a need to show them, just apex qty.

Cabinet I posted is built as you ask.

I have also run into triples being a problem with glass on blind corners. For insets I us separate cabinets as Joe suggested but I alter the stiles. I used to make one stile "0" and the other 1-1/2" but now do 3/4 and 3./4. Once I have a set "combined" I copy it to another part of the plan out of the way, change everything on the copy to openings, send to CAD, then dimension the openings.

I tell clients I won't go any further than Sheboigan (sp?) didn't know where it was for the first year I said it not far from Kalamzoo I did a quick check to make sure I wasn't talking out of my hat about 2020 since that was from a faded memory. I don't have the catalog that I thought would show beaded loaded and I don't really want to mess with 2020 if I don't have to. The inset catalogs I do have loaded won't show beads. Besides it is a lousy option. I wanted to see just how bad it was to build one of these. Attached is a zip file with- a calibz file containing one door symbol and a plan where I made the symbol and then added a few cabinets to check it out. All the parts needed are there.(Though in the long run I'd change the "frame" to 4 pieces to get grain to run properly.) So you can disassemble the floating door to see- poly solid, 3d molding, and a door. The molding profile is on the floor if you zoom in. forgot to add it to the catalog. I then put in a few cabinets to see how it works. In vector view there are lines between the cabinets since they are actually doors, even with "0" clearance. You would need a ton of these one door for every drawer configuration. The upside is that once they are built in Chief the actual door style being placed inside the bead can be changed easily enough. Another problem would be combined cabinets - I do those standard in inset and specify the stiles so would need even more symbols to accommodate that. With all of that said I like how it looks. If I ever get some spare time (or the right client) I may undertake making some more OR trying to find a simpler way to make it so it is easier to change.

I can have em made that big, still need a back added either in the field or at the factory. Then you gotta get it in the house.

Create doors and drawers either in Sketchup or in a separate blank CA plan with p-solids and 3d molding lines if needed. The only way I can think of to do beaded inset would be to make a door symbol with frame and beading. Would likely work using traditional overlay setting overlaps to be flush. But you'd have to make each face configuration needed. Bit of work and I have a hunch easier in SU So far I haven't found it a problem with clients. If I did, would likely use 2020 instead. If I really needed it in Chief I might export cabinets individually out of 2020- ...nah, still a lot of work.

I run into a similar problem with cabinets where I can't snap to openings. I end up using detail from view but hat has it's own problems since it's not live.

Both those and NKBA dimensions don't work out for me. I end up using annosets- some to control shows and gets dimensioned (i.e.- just wall cabinets and openings,just base..)Then allow those layers to show on an overall plan. At least then I can just drag to get dimensions. A functional auto sure would be nice though.

22 plus two OOB- mostly one to one- just doing interior work so different needs than many of you Fiddled with them for a while to begin with- once I had a good idea and the import annosets was getting messy I set up a spread sheet to clarify my thinking and needs. Here's where they are now- may eliminate one or two but keep the layersets but the "using active defaults" makes me edgy. (Meat and potatoes for me) 1 Cab All 1 Cab Base To work on base alone and dimensions just Base 1 Cab Wall To work on and dimensions just Wall Cabs 1 CabMap No labels, no dims, plain English descriptions for clients 1 Guides aid in placement 1 No Counter less clutter 2 Cab Base (cab 2change default ) same as above but when adding new finish- still shows first ones 2 Cab Wall ditto Counters - send for quotes Detail 1.5 Detail 3 (following are for remodel- dims locate wall surface, casings, show demo layer) E Existing E Lights E Remod Demo E Remod Electric E Remod Frame E Remod Mechanical (New construction-locate framing, and roughs) N_Arch New N_Electric Anno New N_Framing Anno New also have Y-For Cad (to send view to cad for detail) Y-for 2020 to send just a simple wall view-no layers or dims sent to CAD to import into 2020 allows quick wall draw and layout to get rough price. (OOB-don't really use these but kept em in case) Z_1/2” Scale Annotation Z_1/4” Scale Annotation

I have both premier and interiors and lived with only interiors for a while. What you give up in interiors that matters IMO: Annosets-, cad from view (make up for it with Turbo cad deluxe or even double cad which is free), they have removed the ability to specify extra clearance for rough openings (a big problem of doing new construction, and the project browser. How much any that matters depends on workload and type of kitchen. If the kitchens are simple look at Pro Kitchen (and talk with them to nefotiate). If chief is warranted and you do a few jobs a year Annosets matter. If doing any new construction, additions or working from architects drawing lack of control over RO allowance is a royal headache and likely to cause order mistakes (stupid move) Project browser is "nice" to have as is detail from view.

Be a good idea to check clearances-remember Chief doesn't show doors in plan. With 1mm reveal the doors will overlap each other, need much more to open- a typical angled corner molding won't be enough..

I found it- Just kept shift selecting different types of object until it allowed for a block. Turned out there was a cad line in there I couldn't see- must have been placed to get a dimension to snap to for something else it wouldn't.

I was going to mention what Richard said about which card is in use. I checked the Passmark on your card it's 340; and compared it to the card on my older machine (Quadro 880 passmark 372) . Mine is slightly more but not enough for the kind of performance you are seeing. I just checked a current kitchen on that machine (don't use it much) The plan (50 mb) has a few custom materials and a few largish symbols in it. Slower than what I'm used to but not bad at all.-Opened 6 elevations, 2 cameras and had one camera doline drawing- under a minute. When you go shopping you may want to check benchmarks for video cards and such. I use Passmark http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/index.php Forgot to mention-that machine has Interiors on it- file was created in Premier- But have never noticed a performance difference between the two- just features. One more thing- You're not orbiting in "line drawing" are you? That is much slower- get view in vector then switch.

Trying to swap a few cabinet configurations to a new plan and have some that I can't make an architectural block. What type of objects prevent blocking?

In a prior thread Joe answered how to get the counter cutout proper for the imported sink- worth a look. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/443-undermount-sinks/?hl=sink#entry3000 Just did an inset job with Kohler Whitehaven - got it to work with -no top separation and opening for first face item. For that sink in inset it is the way I order it so the model helps there. No problem with the front being in the sink but with bottom set to proper height there is interference in the bottom of it but plan view is fine. Converted the dwg to a 3ds before import out of habit.

I use Chief mostly and TC as needed. I stopped upgrading my TC Pro license back around 14 and switched to Deluxe 2d-3d. For my needs I don't see much of a difference (it is missing ACIS) but still fills a few gaps and it's far less expensive.

For me the important piece is dimensions defaults. Should I start yet another annoset thread just for kitchens ; -^

12 plus 3 OOB slightly adjusted, expect to add 2 or 3- so picked 24 or less.

Keys are commonplace in kitchens with 2020. Often a topic of discussion or sad stories. Here's my current; added the biner when I almost lost this one in a parking lot, added the usb extension after a friend had lock fail due to wear when meeting at a clients home. If I'd done that sooner I might not have broken one key and 3 usb ports over the years. I've become expert at redoing the Sentinal software, keep it on every machine. Most KD's insure them; otherwise you pay full software price for lost key (plus support). So now it's just the deductible ($1k) and since I'm not on support whatever that is today with reinstatement($900) I love CA's software key.

OTOH- Something has gone amok and need to remove the battery and power in emergency to shut down laptop. Tilt laptop to access battery- break USB port and key (once)- DAMHIKT

Online overview is almost an hour. When I was evaluating I went briskly through one of those, mostly checked the feature list and used the phone to get specific answers. I took a one day course and later a shorter one- was worth it to me. Otherwise I hang around here and read everything and go to Chief Tutor once in a while. Has worked well for me and I'm a whiner.