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That was the way it was 20 years ago. I have a mac, no issues wishing I had a PC. Both work well, but to say the Mac is not worthy because it isn't a PC is just wrong

P and I think alike, but I am better looking..... according to my wife.

I think I agree with this. I do think the number of clicks are directly tied to one's own ignorance and the end user definitely originates the command clicks. The two click categories are for different purposes but sometimes it takes 3 clicks. And as DJP states, with experience the studied ones can definitely learn to reduce the number of clicks for a prescribed task. Thank you DJP. Hey Rich, did that help? BTW, how is heaven on Earth? Are you guys having good weather?

Yeah, I thought about that, but I do not see any insulating sheets over the studs so I did not think it was relevant. No worries, we all do things a little different.

Yep, me too.

And while we are at it, why isn't the rim joist sitting on the sill plate. Hello, anybody home? Of course I live in San Diego where the temperature is 72 degrees 345 days a year with no humidity but we are using r-15 at walls, r-38 at attics, dual glaze windows, an IAQ fan and a whole house fan, required on demand water heaters and we are on the verge of needing not only insulation in walls but rigid insulation on exterior face. We run our A/C or heater only about 21 days out of the year. We spend more money and energy with our Christmas lights, Back in the '60's they were putting in Jalouise windows and somehow the folks in San Diego survived. Government...... jeez.....

I think I deserve a point for that one.

Jeez, wouldn't it be easier to put the insulation in the floor system just inside the rim joist. Doesn't that give you the insulation you want and at the same time make it easier to build?

I use a mac, I have not updated to the latest version to confirm. I hope you guys get with tech support so this gets worked out.

The stairs want to stop an second floor, not the third floor. And then if you send third floor to layout you don't see stairs at first floor unless you use ref sets. If it works for you, that is awesome. I am lucky this has come up only a couple of times in 10 years.

Open cabinet dbx and make the shelves 1" less in depth.

Perry is probably the expert on this. I have used the extra floor method, and it worked fine, but there is probably a better way. I think the better way would be probably what Perry does which is the ceiling and floor is one assembly. The downside of this would be all joist run the same direction. Another method would be ceiling planes..... as you suggested.... that might get a bit fussy if you want the ceiling joist to sit on exterior wall which is what you would want.....however then you might not get the finish on the exterior wall... unless the floor ceiling assembly is defined as the entire thickness (24"?) but the ceiling joist layer is simply NO MATERIAL...... (very poorly explained but I think I understand what I was trying to say). Oh shoot, the answer is to let us define direction of both ceiling joists and floor joists without the big workaround. Of course this would mean we would need BEARING LINES for both ceiling joists and floor joists. I guess I am lucky, I rarely keep ceiling joists on for a second floor addition. I tear off ceiling joists and replace with 14" deep tji's.

If you have tried the extra floor method, you would of discovered some of the limitations..... doable....... but a lot of work. Think about how your stairs will work ......

Mine too.

I wonder why we can't specify the direction of the ceiling joists and the floor joists separately. Hey P., maybe this could be a suggestion.

I here you. My approach is to work with the anno sets that the original plan is using. It's too much trouble trying to update the plan to my current anno sets. I go back to a set of plans I worked on less than 2 years ago and I wonder what the heck was I doing. Our methods are always evolving. Try working with what you have. Probably not the advice you want.

Thanks all for looking. I tried Glenn's solution of deleting trusses auto rebuild roof and all was well. HOWEVER, if I put trusses at second floor roof, the rafters at the lower porch roof disappeared again. I think Perry has talked about how trusses do not allow lower rafters to build. I suppose I had hoped this was fixed by now but I guess not. A bit frustrating that something as basic as this is still not fixed. If I have time I will report it.

Where are rafters over porch at first floor See attached plan. The rafters over the lower porch do not frame unless I pull the roof away from wall. I am sure it is something I am doing wrong. Can you help me? Lin to plans https://www.dropbox.com/s/aab7hsal3kzsis0/no rafter at portch.plan?dl=0 no_rafter_at_portch.plan

Of course, CAD DETAIL FROM VIEW.

Set the garage elevation at -133.0, set the driveway height at 1", make sure you have a room def for the room of garage above. It should look good, stir and season to taste.

BTW, I was almost going to compliment you on the terrain, not bad, however your garage does not have a room definition thus you have dirt in your garage. You have a bad wall connection so your garage is a room and then you will not have dirt in your garage. Pretty darn good model.

change the height from 28" to 1"

Here's one for you. Do what Perry just said. Look at layout, all is well, now......... move re that view to the next layout page...... how would you do it? 1. Cut the view off the page and paste it on previous page? 2. Or would you open the window DBX from layout and change the page it is on via DBX? you will find that if you cut and paste the view, the fills/colors will come back on .....,, but ........ if you open the DBX of the layout window and change the page it is on, the fills/colors will not come on.

If you learn more by working thru it yourself, why are you posting a question here? What you are doing is taking up solvers time because he is guessing at a solution. Solver is very good, you will learn a lot more at a quicker pace if you give folks like solver the information so he can teach you. Believe me there are plenty of things you can learn on your own.

That is the answer.